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gmrpnk21 t1_j83sg4s wrote

I know someone that uses this as an excuse to be an awful person. Probably not the best advice for some people.

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newpinkbunnyslippers t1_j862y0m wrote

Literally this.

Whenever you have someone being a complete and utter idiot, they always justify it by "just being true to their honest selves".
Social correction is a vital tool for existing in a society.
Doing whatever you want and not caring what other people think is not a positive trait.
You should care what others think.
Anything else is narcissism.

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gmrpnk21 t1_j864u9g wrote

Yeah, the argument of "some people are going to think I'm shitty" is not a justification for actually being shitty.

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Corno4825 t1_j86fet1 wrote

Well, I don't know if there's a single person where there is a unanimous consensus that they're not a shitty person.

Dolly Parton maybe.

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MangoCats t1_j89vci3 wrote

Oh, Dolly is a deeply flawed individual, wonderful to the core, but not to be emulated in many ways.

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Corno4825 t1_j89zi7a wrote

How so?

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MangoCats t1_j8a6r61 wrote

The repeated surgeries for her stage image for a start, that's not something I would call a role model for young girls. She also has a problem with being humble (for instance, playing concerts for small audiences at small venues) - which worked out for her, but isn't something everyone could emulate. But: we're all human, and on balance she's a hell of a lot better person than most of us.

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MangoCats t1_j89v4sb wrote

And yet, in all things find balance. There are plenty of times when social pressures should be resisted, even pushed back against, because the social pressures are themselves negative traits.

Having a clear view of (and acting on) what is good and bad is more important than whatever the majority are saying or doing.

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newpinkbunnyslippers t1_j8fpq32 wrote

No, there are absolutely 0 times when "you", an individual, are justified in defying the majority norm. It's only ever a question of not consulting a large enough sample size.

If your 4 friends are idiots, no, you shouldn't listen to them.
But if 10.000 unaffiliated strangers say that it is, in fact, you who are the idiot; then, you are.

And that is always the case, simply for the fact that ethics and morals - the very things that decide what "doing the right thing" even means, are societal constructs. They are made up by humanity on a group basis and, historically, peer enforced.

If, at any time, you decide that "you" know better than everyone else - you need your ego checked.

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MangoCats t1_j8gbh57 wrote

You are going to have a very bad time when the issues split near 50/50, and your whole theory basically says: F the minorities, they must comply with the majority or else.

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piratz86 t1_j868pm9 wrote

Well that's their choice to be awful. To each their own. It's sucks, but what can you do?

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we_invented_post-its t1_j8dcj38 wrote

I find it odd that so many people are so eager to shoot down motivational quotes on a sub about getting motivated. It’s like hanging out in the labor and delivery ward of the hospital and reminding all the new moms that everyone dies someday. Like, yeah… that’s true… but like, is that necessary in any way? Naw. Not really. Not at all.

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gmrpnk21 t1_j8ddsdl wrote

Maybe because this isn't motivational, it's enabling. "Do whatever you want" isn't beneficial, or conducive to being better. Pointing out that something is nonsense and doesn't fit a sub is pretty common, regardless of which one something is posted in.

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we_invented_post-its t1_j8diohe wrote

My point is, if you don’t think people should be assholes, then why put a negative spin on a positive post in a sub dedicated to motivation?

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gmrpnk21 t1_j8dnppw wrote

Because it isnt positive, and it's detrimental "advice". You're judged by actions. Strive to do better and don't worry about what other people say about it. As long as you are working towards continual improvement, you're always being a better you.

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we_invented_post-its t1_j8dok4j wrote

That’s your perception.

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gmrpnk21 t1_j8dvb6u wrote

No, it's reality. "Do whatever you want" is terrible advice. Hard stop. It's right up there with "positive vibes only" and "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". That's not how people grow or overcome anything.

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gmrpnk21 t1_j8fule9 wrote

No, I don't subscribe to toxic positivity or stupid statements telling you to do whatever you want. You'll be judged by people for what you do, and that's sometimes all that's keeping someone from doing terrible shit. That's a fact, not an opinion.

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Jestersage t1_j85vayq wrote

Well, they will be justified by faith.

I want to claim that's a joke, but I am starting to wonder if that passage is literally what that means.

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RandomPhail t1_j86ql0e wrote

That’s why I follow it up with “so long as you’re not breaking any laws or infringing upon anyone’s rights”

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FluffyBoi1997 t1_j88bo2h wrote

So true, this mindset will just encourage more evil people to be more evil coz yeah, either way ppl with judge them.

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