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svedge_weed OP t1_j67q4zt wrote

Brother! It feels like you read my mind to write thisšŸ˜‚ did you watch "The Tenant" fron Polanski? It really explains well what you said about not being a phisical creature. Yeah i get what you mean, the God you talk about is like Socrate's demon, isn't it? Thank you for answering

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FirstTimothy5eight t1_j6dhn5d wrote

Iā€™m really glad you found it helpful, and I personally believe in god. (Christ) but Iā€™m also simultaneously disappointed to a large degree with the conventional church we know today. I want to create a new one. So Iā€™m beginning to find ways to move ahead with the creation of a new model.

The church of today is a self serving beast. It isnā€™t particularly helpful generally, and the few that are, are very inefficient and wasteful

-the definition of institution

a society or organization founded for a religious, educational, social, or similar purpose.

So to me the very foundation of the church institution is sort of empty, you see what I mean? Itā€™s religion for religionā€™s sake, and not really for any other purpose. To have such organizations is costly, and individuals are employed for many reasons, clerical, etc. Job creation is generally good, but where should the money from a church really go? Should it go to fatten the pockets of a pastor or deacon? Or could it serve the membership better?

Thatā€™s the issue. Waste in the name of god? I donā€™t think that is what god wants! So through prayer, meditation, and research I am trying to find a new way to do it.

Edit: sorry to go off on a tangent! I guess your reference to the daemon is pretty accurate! As far as the video you mentioned, I donā€™t think Iā€™ve seen it.

But yes I think many philosophers are aware of that ā€œvoiceā€ it doesnā€™t command. But it does nag at you gently. Telling you not to do what you are about to do. In my opinion, thatā€™s the voice of god/Christ.

Iā€™ve fallen out of favor with god, and with myself, when what Iā€™ve wanted to do was not in line with what Iā€™m supposed to do in a biblical context. And thatā€™s the struggle, I think, with humanity and our purpose, the Bible refers to that as a struggle between our spiritual body and our flesh, right? our body wants to live like all other animals, to pursue pleasure and avoid pain just like Darwin, or any other transhumanist believes. but they dont do a great job explaining why we have a conscious, and why that moral voice is in a war with our physical selves! why arent we completely free to pursue our basic and biological impulses? isnt it counter to evolution and natural selection, not to kill our enemies, or have as much sex as possible with anyone we can? The strange thing about that is, thats exactly how humans behave when they are separated from their moralsā€¦ like animalsā€¦

so the answer is, (i assume) to be whole as a human being, and not in the torment of inner and social conflict means to live according to the demands of the moral authority who is god. with what you are doing, being exactly what you wanted and intended to do. No separation! your body, mind, and spirit together, moving along the straight and narrow path toward god. its like a tight rope! its easy to fall, and it takes 100% focus of your body mind and spirit to walk that path.

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svedge_weed OP t1_j6jiedy wrote

You're the first person I talk to that gives me a meaningful and nice vision of religion. And i live in Italy, where everyone's a Christian... And yeah unfortunately you're right, church gas nothing to do with God, for me church is on the same level of any government, saying good things and doing bad, just to get richer and more powerful. I never believed in 'God' for who they told me he is, but yeah it's like we all have an inner God that makes us know what's good and what's not. That's exactly Socrate's demon: he couldn't call It God because Gods were Zeus and all of them, so he logically called It a demon. But the 'demon' was the only One he listened to. The good One. Loved talking to you man.

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