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ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j698h3d wrote

That last one is a lesson the West should have learned about Putin a long time ago.

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Ubermenschen t1_j69nje7 wrote

And about themselves. We're super into tearing things down right now, not so much about actually building anything.

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[deleted] t1_j6ar6q0 wrote

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jindog t1_j6b5w4o wrote

What he is saying agrees with that...there is no way to change Putin, he is bent on destruction, so you cannot believe that any kindness or correction would result in a change in his actions.

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pedestrianpinniped t1_j6a3uwx wrote

Not sure I understand what you are trying to say here, no one is trying to change Putin, we are responding to what he is doing. Are you saying we should just abandon all the former soviet states to him?

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zman0313 t1_j6ajcly wrote

Eh I think some apologists who empathize with putins perspective do this. Thinking he just needs to be treated well by the west to reform. Even if his grievances are justified, he will never trust the west and will never cooperate. The days for that have passed

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ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN t1_j6bv6u0 wrote

No, I'm saying the opposite. The West shouldn't have expected him to behave towards us any differently than he treats anyone else.

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pedestrianpinniped t1_j6bzv9x wrote

I'm still not getting it, Putin obviously treats the West different than others, way more hostility and paranoia, way less success at bullying. No one that's been paying attention for the last 20 years is particularly surprised that Putin's gonna Putin, but it is surprising to see him drop the ball this hard.

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