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Droidlivesmatter t1_iwgao6v wrote

I mean.. I see this and people are like "wow lazy"

But I will say that was how I got to success. I didn't burn out. I knew when to work and when to relax. Others were like "You're wasting your time! You gotta go grind! Meet people! Network!"

They're nowhere now, burnt out, hate life, and literally spent days constantly working just to "Get somewhere".

I just did my 9-5. Came home, and killed time knowing that my shitty 9-5 will eventually pay off. It did. Others were always trying to hustle, start stuff etc. and they got nowhere.

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Jaradacl t1_iwgawl0 wrote

I doubt that the comic is targeted at people like you but rather at people who use that 9-5 to "relax".

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prollyshmokin t1_iwgigg5 wrote

That's awesome and similar to my mentality, as long as you don't look down on people that did the same thing yet didn't have it "pay off".

I mean, I remember seeing a lady on TV during the pandemic (when lots of people were leaving their jobs) talking about how she'd worked at some diner for 10 years getting less than a $2 raise. I can't imagine what that must feel like. It feels easy to blame her for not hustling but I wish her hard work could've paid off for her.

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worriedalien123 t1_iwhe3pa wrote

Your 9-5 will pay off what?

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Droidlivesmatter t1_iwher0r wrote

Job growth. Professional development.

So many people I know would hustle on the side and their 9-5 was exhausting for them they didn't perform well. Excessive working hours doesn't relate to quality. It's just quantity.

Hey I did my 9-5 and I was too tired to tackle new projects because my side gig drains me.

In my first 9-5 I jumped from data entry to management decision roles within 2 years. While everyone else was too tired to tackle new projects and workloads.

Its not time put in. It's quality put out. And I'm sorry but I've noticed anyone who works stupid hours isn't producing much quality after they're too tired.

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AMasonJar t1_iwhmmhf wrote

A 9-5 that actually develops into something is kind of the key there. A lot of people have pretty dead end 9-5s. And some of them can fix that. In tech especially, that upwards mobility is actually fantastic and often understated. Spend a couple years building experience at a job, then jump upwards to the next (you're rarely going to see a promotion that's equivalent if you stay internal).

But not everyone works in tech. And some dreams just don't lend themselves to a very good 9-5, some are things that have to be done on the side first before they can even take off into something sustainable full time.

Finding a job you don't hate, that keeps you alive, becomes the important thing then. That isn't so easy in the modern day though, when unskilled jobs haven't kept up in pay at all, yet too many people treat them like they haven't changed since even just a few decades ago when they actually could support you.

It's a rough age for dreamers. I'm doing well enough. But many aren't.

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ValyrianJedi t1_iwh0ca5 wrote

Eh, there is a time and a place for both... I can say with pretty much 100% certainty that I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am now if I hadn't done the grind/network/bust ass thing for a decent while... From like 22-25 I worked 100 hour weeks, then did grad school for a year and a half, then from like 27-31 worked 60-70 hour weeks with a side gig on top and did an obscene amount of networking... Was definitely rough at times, but now at 33 I'm super set. We have our first kids on the way now, and because of all the time and energy I put in earlier now I'm able to let off the gas and spend time with them while still being able to take care of them, get them things they want, send them to great schools, etc.. Wouldn't trade doing things the way I did for anything...

And I know a decent many people who are in the same boat, so I just don't think that "don't hustle" is universally solid advice.

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SmarmyCatDiddler t1_iwhc2cg wrote

The fact its even seen as a necessity or some moral good is what's the problem here

If you worked more than double what is seen as the max amount for someone's well being for 7 years in order to feel "set", then that's awful

Sure on the other side you may feel safe to romanticize it and try and nudge others to do the same, but you're simply lucky

What we should be doing instead is trying to get more labor rights and social benefits moreso than pushing people to go past their limits so they can maybe be comfortable later in life

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ValyrianJedi t1_iwhd050 wrote

I'm not saying it's necessary or a moral good. I'm saying that it was worth it to me... And I'm not saying that I had to do that to get by, or be in decent financial shape. I'm saying that I had to to be in well above average financial shape.

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SmarmyCatDiddler t1_iwiozdz wrote

Oh sure, I'm not saying you're saying that

I just meant as a culture its usually seen as the right move without looking at the problem at a deeper level

The fact you need to do it at all is not great

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Arctic601 t1_iwhgxl8 wrote

What part of working hard, putting forth effort and networking is lucky?

What am I missing here?

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SmarmyCatDiddler t1_iwif3mo wrote

That it worked out in such a way that you're set in your 30s

It doesn't happen to everyone, and some people get burnt out a lot easier and get get to where they want in that time frame if at all

The fact you're practically slaving for almost a decade isn't super healthy for human bodies or brains

It can cause lifelong stress

If you escaped that? Thats lucky

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