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sasigona OP t1_iqwbau4 wrote

Reply to comment by BillyBobBanana in [Image] You can rise up from anything! by sasigona

It's a nice way to absolve yourself of any responsibility

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JesterRaiin t1_iqx6pju wrote

Determinism does not absolve from any responsibility.

It simply suggests that what you find to be responsible for and to what extent is determined.

The "remaking of self" is possible, yes. But for whom, in what way and to what extent is determined.

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sasigona OP t1_iqxdjys wrote

Doesn't determinism suggest that your every action is predetermined by other factors? If you have no free will since birth, you're not responsible for your actions. I'm not an expert on the topic and would like to learn more tbh.

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JesterRaiin t1_ir1758h wrote

Much like many other constructions, determinism also consists of a few separate "layers", or "levels". Hard determinism totally excludes free will as nothing but an illusion. But there's alfo soft determinism that does not exclude free will, merely sees it as influenced by many different factors.

Personally I'm thumbs up for the soft determinism.

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sasigona OP t1_ir2hqw8 wrote

Soft determinism I can sort of get behind too. Thanks for sharing.

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BillyBobBanana t1_iqwg6r0 wrote

Open your eyes, at what point do humans buck the laws of physics?

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Donomyte t1_iqwoppq wrote

What about the laws of physics imply complete determinism? In fact, the Uncertainty Principle essentially says the opposite, at least at the quantum level. Even if you built the most powerful computer possible, you couldn't predict events with completely accuracy.

That doesn't of course, equate perfectly to free will, but saying everything is set in stone is fundementally wrong.

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BillyBobBanana t1_iqwq7ln wrote

My guess is that the uncertainty principle can be solved, but due to humans very limited capacity for observation, we simply cannot see it yet

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