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BillyBobBanana t1_iqw76gs wrote
Determinism is the true way of things. Your entire life has been set since the beginning of time.
sasigona OP t1_iqwbau4 wrote
It's a nice way to absolve yourself of any responsibility
JesterRaiin t1_iqx6pju wrote
Determinism does not absolve from any responsibility.
It simply suggests that what you find to be responsible for and to what extent is determined.
The "remaking of self" is possible, yes. But for whom, in what way and to what extent is determined.
sasigona OP t1_iqxdjys wrote
Doesn't determinism suggest that your every action is predetermined by other factors? If you have no free will since birth, you're not responsible for your actions. I'm not an expert on the topic and would like to learn more tbh.
JesterRaiin t1_ir1758h wrote
Much like many other constructions, determinism also consists of a few separate "layers", or "levels". Hard determinism totally excludes free will as nothing but an illusion. But there's alfo soft determinism that does not exclude free will, merely sees it as influenced by many different factors.
Personally I'm thumbs up for the soft determinism.
sasigona OP t1_ir2hqw8 wrote
Soft determinism I can sort of get behind too. Thanks for sharing.
BillyBobBanana t1_iqwg6r0 wrote
Open your eyes, at what point do humans buck the laws of physics?
Donomyte t1_iqwoppq wrote
What about the laws of physics imply complete determinism? In fact, the Uncertainty Principle essentially says the opposite, at least at the quantum level. Even if you built the most powerful computer possible, you couldn't predict events with completely accuracy.
That doesn't of course, equate perfectly to free will, but saying everything is set in stone is fundementally wrong.
BillyBobBanana t1_iqwq7ln wrote
My guess is that the uncertainty principle can be solved, but due to humans very limited capacity for observation, we simply cannot see it yet
AMasonJar t1_iqx6t0c wrote
What difference does that make? Go "determine" yourself a better life then
BillyBobBanana t1_iqx72h1 wrote
Look up determinism bro, then you'll actually know what I'm talking about
UncleFupa t1_iqyk62v wrote
I feel like a lot of people who don't believe in free will use it as a way to offload all the mistakes they've made and ultimately not be responsible for their own fate.
I've had hard times in my life and I feel like I am where I am today through perseverance and determination. I've chosen to sacrifice things in order to achieve goals I've set for myself.
I used to think those who don't believe in free will were saying that my sacrifices were pointless because no matter what choices I make, it was determined to be exactly where I am today.
But I suppose I could look at it as that I never really had a choice in any of it , I was determined from the start to put in the time and make those sacrifices to get here.
BillyBobBanana t1_iqyu7y3 wrote
Yeah because you determined that making the sacrifices was ultimately the most rewarding path. Great answer btw
UncleFupa t1_ir0746j wrote
Couldn't I have just as easily determined sitting on my computer every night, holed up in my bedroom was the most comfortable path and continued to do that? I feel like I had a choice in the matter.
BillyBobBanana t1_ir0jv97 wrote
Yeah but your advanced human brain realized that your life would ultimately be better if you made money. That feeling of choice is very important, because if everyone felt like they had no power, nothing would happen. So people feel like they have free will so they continue.
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