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Dovahnuz t1_jdv9jkr wrote

The original quote gives a hell of a different message, opposed to "not having the right to" socrates describes it as a "shame to see".

Because it doesnt effect the people around you, only your own life and experience living it. except maybe them seeing you not fulfill your potential and finding it wastefull

Nonetheless i agree with the overall message, seeing people of which you know can do more to become their best self but simply dont because of ignorance or lazyness (ofcourse mental illness plays a role for alot of people but thats a WHOLE other discussion)

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misdreavus79 t1_jdvoy8r wrote

It’s a whole other discussion, but it often bleeds into this one.

Because people have a view of what mental health is, everything that doesn’t fit in that box is therefore laziness or lack of drive.

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SpiritStriver90 t1_jdwv61t wrote

I think the real answer to "mental health" vs. "laziness" (esp. given I've dealt and still deal with mental health issues personally) is that only you can honestly assess which is or isn't holding you back - and so the best thing to do is not make "I know better" pronouncements about other people. Introspect yourself (Socrates said, after all, that "the unexamined #LIFE is not worth living" and all), but withhold judgment from other people about things that you most likely cannot know in anywhere close to enough depth to be truly fair. You don't have direct access to their internal mental state, so you can only theorize things at best.

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Dovahnuz t1_jdvrdhy wrote

It can be numerous other things that cause a person to kinda get stuck which can be seen as laziness etc, which is a shame because theres plenty of other perfectly valid reasons to not be being your best self.

If that makes any sense and was also what you were getting at.

However i do feel like theres nearly always very small steps you can undertake to get past that blockage. Even if it just means asking for help, and mental illness sometimes just will be there to fuck you over and often there really is nothing you can do about it.

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