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strvgglecity t1_jaa6312 wrote

There are hundreds of cultures that have different views of morality and goodness. What you have described here is an authoritarian state that does not allow dissention or debate.

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New-Shop-7539 OP t1_jaa73mr wrote

No it's not... what I have described is a scenario where the common person who cares very little about the state of the HUMAN EARTH to be guided by people who care

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kotukutuku t1_jaacrd5 wrote

Well, here's my thoughts. Anyone with half a brain can see that rampant neoliberal capitalism is dumbing us down and destroying the planet very efficiently, so that has me backing some form of socialism. I think socialism is the only hope we have now to focus production and consumption around genuine societal needs (health, education etc) instead of the endless oceans of plastic and junk food our children are growing up in. But what flavour of socialism does not inevitably result in authoritarian bureaucracy? How do we stop power grabs from those in powerful positions, or elites firming, as in the case of Soviet Russia?

Anarchism is the only socialist school of thought that directly challenges hierarchy and authority, with most of the various branches (syndicalism, anarcho-communism etc) offering systems of organisation that consciously distribute power, and mitigate centralisation. For those reasons I find anarchism really attractive. But the more I've thought about it, I come back to the need ultimately to sometimes require some kind of authority, at least on occasion, along with security. Even the few fledgling anarchistic regimes established had to acknowledge those needs in practice (before they were snuffed out by their opponents), and saw some corruption as a result. And if you start a revolution, who's to say who will end up in control? The best people to fight for a revolution are almost certainly not those you would want in charge of the new regime.

So if not anarchism, what? This is the question I've been stuck on for a long time, and the most satisfying answer I've found so far is Murray Bookchin's Social Ecology, also known as Municipal Communalism. I like it not only for it's pioneering vision of the need to create more sustainable societies, but for it's 'dual power' method of praxis, which acknowledges the risks if, and avoids, the classic revolutionary method of violent overthrow in place of gradual replacement.

To quote a slightly obscure meme: "Google Murray Bookchin"

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strvgglecity t1_jaa7pmz wrote

And how does that person who cares take power? How does that occur?

And how is this description right here any different from current governance? All governments for that description: orgs of people who "care" guiding lots of other people who generally care less. It's just that what they actually care about is retaining power and influence.

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New-Shop-7539 OP t1_jaa9cq4 wrote

That's something undecided and uncomprehensible,. We (me included) have no clue how the new world can come together and unite.

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