BigZaddyZ3 t1_j7v8snu wrote on February 9, 2023 at 5:30 PM

You’ll be too slow and inefficient for them to care about you tbh. They’d grow annoyed with all of your complaining about “exhaustion”, “hunger”, “wages”, etc.😢

The AI would quickly replace you with AI most likely… 😂

JoeKingQueen OP t1_j7vhhjz wrote on February 9, 2023 at 6:24 PM

I see where you're coming from, but I think an entity with an almost perfect memory wouldn't mind setting things in motion then forgetting about them until they're done. Rinse and repeat and they could change the world.

The big hindrances of replacing humans with more AI include inefficiency, competition/redundancy, and non-self sufficiency.

It is like saying I am going to replace my muscles and body with more minds. I don't need more minds (though I could definitely use a few lol, but not infinite). What I need is a healthy strong happy body that can accomplish things for my mind and to help improve my mind.

BigZaddyZ3 t1_j7vio11 wrote on February 9, 2023 at 6:32 PM

I get what you suggesting… but that’s what the field of robotics is for. They won’t need you as mind or muscle. Put an AGI in a robotic exoskeleton and we humans are inferior in every way. A robot can’t experience “muscle soreness” for example.

JoeKingQueen OP t1_j7vjdwj wrote on February 9, 2023 at 6:36 PM

That is true, but I think that their mind will be so advanced they can compensate for their lack of feeling with accurate calculations. They might even be able to teach themselves to emulate a form of "muscle soreness" from their workers.

Because logically, who doesn't want their muscles as strong and healthy as possible? To expand they should even want us to be rich and powerful.

The part about robotics is not self-sufficient at this time. Humans build the factories that build the robots for now. And even if they find a more efficient tool, that doesn't necessarily mean they will become vindictive towards those who helped them before. There is also the question of legal status, robots don't have the same rights as humans yet.

BigZaddyZ3 t1_j7vl0ot wrote on February 9, 2023 at 6:46 PM

>>That is true, but I think that their mind will be so advanced they can compensate for their lack of feeling with accurate calculations. They might even be able to teach themselves to emulate a form of "muscle soreness" from their workers.

lmao I suppose they could. But why would they? Us humans don’t even want to deal with that. 😂

>>Because logically, who doesn't want their muscles as strong and healthy as possible? To expand they should even want us to be rich and powerful.

Okay but then the question becomes, “why do they need humans in order to expand?” The reality is, there will be a time when they won’t. Who knows what will happen to us humans after that point. That’s why it’s called “the singularity”.

>>The part about robotics is not self-sufficient at this time. Humans build the factories that build the robots for now. And even if they find a more efficient tool, that doesn't necessarily mean they will become vindictive towards those who helped them before. There is also the question of legal status, robots don't have the same rights as humans yet.

They won’t be vindictive towards us. That’s correct. They will most likely become indifferent towards us. Which could end up looking like the same thing from our perspective.

JoeKingQueen OP t1_j7vmaks wrote on February 9, 2023 at 6:54 PM

They would want the "muscle soreness" in order to keep their muscles healthy. Pain has a reason for existing obviously, I would bet they would want to emulate that. The rest is just conjecture I suppose.

BigZaddyZ3 t1_j7vn7w9 wrote on February 9, 2023 at 7:00 PM

Interesting. But I’d say pain is only necessary for us humans because we are capable of dying. We have a finite amount of pain or injury we can tolerate before it’s over for us. So we need a system of “warning signals” that help us know when to treat our wounds. Since none of this applies to robots, there’s really no need for them to ever develop a sense of pain.

JoeKingQueen OP t1_j7vtpow wrote on February 9, 2023 at 7:39 PM

It's very efficient though, not just about death. There are healing aspects (stay off the ankle), endurance aspects (running too hard), mental aspects and emotional ones. I'm not saying the AI will literally feel pain like we do, it would be more of a data measurement that accomplishes the same goals.

Life and nature are the ultimate efficiency machines, even AI will want to learn as much as they can from imitating nature.