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[deleted] OP t1_j9dv9sd wrote

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5kyl3r t1_j9ebixr wrote

we need to also worry about the dictatorship. we now know that trump tried to organize and stage a coup. that's BIG. but people, especially on the right, don't seem to care. that's the thin little line between our current democracy, and becoming the next Belarus or Russia. it can happen. it happened in those countries within my lifetime. it can happen here. not taking things like that seriously is how it can happen. they're going to easy on the moron tacti-cool larpers on jan 6th, but at least most of them are getting at least a few years. history repeats itself. people being "apolitical" is how it happens. (which is ironically what most of the Russians in street interviews say now when asked political questions, if that isn't a clue)

now I think it's the loudest ones are the ones we hear thing. I think most republicans didn't like trump, at least after a while, and were pushed away. I don't think trump has a chance now. but the oligarchy problem usually goes hand-in-hand with dictatorships/autocracies, so it's something we need to take more seriously

and for the special trump lovers, courts just revealed basically all of the Fox News hosts did NOT believe the election was stolen or that there was fraud. we have screenshots of their texts among each other now. but sadly idiots like Marjorie T green will still repeat this stolen election crap. (how did we let clowns like this get into office???)

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SchultzkysATraitor t1_j9epu3r wrote

"Truth is: if not for covid, Trump would have been reelected in a landslide. So we evaded Armageddon for good old store brand oppression.

But if a leader more savvy..
And less sociopathic..
With true fascist aspirations come along its gon tragic.

74 million proved if the right rhetoric is used we could end up on the wrong side of Workd War II 2."

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[deleted] OP t1_j9efavv wrote

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5kyl3r t1_j9iekys wrote

how is that even remotely anarchy? it's authoritarianism. it's HOW they make money. they go strong arm companies. russia sent KGB (FSB, but let's be real here) into companies and forced them to sign them over to government officials at gunpoint. go watch a documentary on the magnitsky thing if you haven't. it's insane. the magnitsky act that the UN used to sanction russia came from the name of the lawyer that was killed by the Kremlin for defending an American businessman that they tried to do the same thing to, but luckily he was smarter than them. unfortunately the brave russian lawyer died for his bravery. trump would do the same crap here. he was already doing shady shit WHILE in office. like forced govt. trips to stay in his hotels, and then price gouged them more than their normal price. that goes beyond conflict of interest. but I digress

I'm not saying there isn't any truth to some of what you said, as there is certainly a lot of corrupt lobbying going on, as we know large corps basically have a huge influence on politics. but that doesn't excuse the ONE party that is openly trying to burn the country and democracy to the ground while pulling a russia and falsely trying to redirect the blame

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9f523w wrote

You are living in a fantasy world. You need to get in touch with reality.

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9f5036 wrote

Liar liar liar liar liar this bothsides bullshit is just right wing propaganda to keep you useless.

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TulpagenicUNISS t1_j9fetdc wrote

It is really not. While both sides are not the same on the surface, both Republicans and Democrats participate in insider trading on the stock market, they both use capital to influence political decisions away from the best case for the people. The Republicans and the Democrats have been for a near century the same party, it has not been until recently where they have diverged enough to have actual disagreements on things. The belief that Democrats will save you from Republicans or Republicans will save you from Democrats is literally taking the steps to hand authoritarians reins to government. Which I mean cool I guess, you get internet points for not being the other guys, when you should not want want to be any of them.

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btran935 t1_j9fq282 wrote

I disagree. Both sides serve the corps but only one side is actively trying to take away medical rights for girls, attack the LGBT community, and hamper education. I understand corporate greed and capitalism are problems, but they’re not the ONLY problems. The way I think of it is that both sides policies are unsustainable, however republicans are actively evil and try to make peoples lives worse.

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9ffv86 wrote

I agree, dems and republicans prior to the mid 2010s were the same party. But the democrats are being taken over at the local level and at least pretend at the federal. Republicans will turn us into a christian theocracy, democrats want universal healthcare - maybe. You're the one trying to get internet points here boy, stay in your lane or start bringing facts.

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Wtygrrr t1_j9fln5u wrote

Funny that universal healthcare and Christian morality laws are both things that can be used as tools to increase the power of the fascists while also not being things they actually care about in and of themselves.

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9fls3w wrote

HAHAHAHAHA yes, those are both the tools of facists. Paying for your healthcare and kiling you if you dont pray, same diff.

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Wtygrrr t1_j9fn1fd wrote

When the only thing you care about is increasing state control of everything, then yes.

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9fnbzx wrote

HURR DURR STATE BAD BEZOS GOOD SAVE ME BILLIONAIRE DADDYYYYYYY

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Wtygrrr t1_j9gj8ai wrote

I didn’t say the state was bad, and I didn’t say billionaires were good. The fact that billionaires exist is a huge problem with the world.

If you have so little interest in what anyone else actually says or believes that you immediately resort to bizarre straw men without even trying, why bother posting about politics in the first place? Seems like a total waste of time for you.

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Wtygrrr t1_j9fks3q wrote

Liar liar liar. All of this left vs right bullshit is just fascist propaganda to keep their natural enemies at each other’s throats over things that the fascists couldn’t care less about like abortion or gay rights. How many issues do the masses on the left and right agree on that somehow continually get swept under the rug? Gotta vote for that lesser evil!

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9fluze wrote

I remember being in middle school

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Wtygrrr t1_j9gjknm wrote

Is that where you learned to respond to things you don’t want to hear with childish retorts?

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9fehag wrote

But Both sides are rightwing

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9ffykr wrote

really? Both sides are trying to turn us into a christian theocracy?

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9frsky wrote

(Edit: Keep in mind I’m talking about political institutions, not voters.)

No, both sides are using the fascists to maintain power. Gop use Christian theocrats to garner political power, Dems use the threat of Christian theocrats to get people to settle for nothing

Neither has any intention of changing the status quo. They are both owned by the same business interests and lobbies, both represent corporate interests - the difference you see is marketing

Military, police, healthcare, debt, education, and foreign policy - both parties have the same goals; whatever offers kickbacks to the people who fund them. Both parties are owned. The difference between them are wedge issues.

Sometimes genuine fascists are elected to the GOP and sometimes people who genuinely want to improve the world are elected to the dnc but both parties are run by people who would lose power and money if status quo changes.

Contention is profitable. Abortion rights at risk is good for fundraising. GOP being a fascist threat is good for fundraising. But the dnc doesn’t believe their own rhetoric. For example; Biden could take manchin off of his committees, limit his reach until he falls in line. But he won’t because manchin is playing the role of heel. The ones who donate to manchin also donate to the dnc. It’s all a game to them

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9fsdh0 wrote

I dont care about the fantasy you believe in. It is an objective fact, a stated one by many, that republicans want to turn america into a theocracy. I dont care that you think all government is bad. We are talking about the real world, not an ideal fantasy where you can flip a switch and get the all star third party we dream of.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9fsg8i wrote

Lol you asked

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9fslu3 wrote

No, I asked if both sides were trying to turn us into a christian theocracy. You came back with a dodge and a rant about how joe biden isnt doing enough for you.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9fsts7 wrote

You asked and that was my answer

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9ftbo7 wrote

Just as long as were both clear you did not answer.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9g8x90 wrote

I did, I acknowledged the Christo fascist threat and said the Dems are complicit

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9gb2cr wrote

"Neither has any intention of changing the status quo"

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No, you did not. You downplayed what the right is doing and brought up past bad behavior from the left.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9gb696 wrote

I didn’t downplay it. I said the Dems are complicit. You’re kind of being a baby

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9gb7tk wrote

Saying that theyre not trying to change the status quo is downplaying what theyre doing right now.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9gbjao wrote

…No it’s not. I am not endorsing it? The us has always been run by christo facsists - that is the status quo

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9gcg0f wrote

Im guessing youre a straight white man? Thats not an insult, you just seem insulated. Brother I dont know how to tell you this but the status quo for 50 years was roe v wade. The status quo was mail in voting. The status quo was you could at least say the word gay in class if a kid asked about it. These werent where I wanted them to be, but you are not paying attention. Wake the fuck up.

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Pwnysaurus_Rex t1_j9gchwg wrote

I’m a trans woman lmao nice try tho

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Iffykindofguy t1_j9gl08u wrote

Hey, just goes to show that living through the struggle doesnt mean you get the struggle. I notice you only refuted the thing you could, which is fair.

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