Submitted by Phoenix5869 t3_10s80gd in Futurology
twilight-actual t1_j70rmqc wrote
How long will it take before the antivaxx community demonizes this mRNA solution and others like it?
Leavingtheecstasy t1_j720vkt wrote
Counterpoint: fuck those people.
I will take a vaccine for cancer.
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rotetiger t1_j73d27r wrote
I understand the same.
Here is an article stating it: "The Moderna/Merck vaccine is personalized, meaning the mRNA sequences it delivers are tailored to each patient. And it is intended to prevent recurrence of cancer rather than prevent cancer in the first place. But in other ways, the jab is similar to mRNA vaccines for COVID-19." Source: https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/ModernaMerck-cancer-vaccine-shows-promise/100/web/2022/12
Old_Smrgol t1_j727cl7 wrote
Exactly. Melanoma's not contagious. If someone doesn't want to take a vaccine of it, hey, it's their life.
LordOfDorkness42 t1_j70ulbl wrote
Oh, no doubt already started.
To those anti-science, lead suckling, nimrods, mRNA might as well be the word that summons bees to come crawling from their nipple. They're freaking terrified of "that unnatural stuff."
It's so freaking stupid. Hint: your body is full of that stuff. Messenger RNA is a big part of how your body communicates on the genetic level.
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slowslownotbad t1_j70ww0j wrote
Yes and no. I know a lot of antivaxxers (ex-military…) and they’re surprisingly cool with the mRNA cancer vaccine.
Then you tell them we need to implement mandatory EBV/CMV vaccination and they lose their minds.
storm6436 t1_j711xg1 wrote
I don't know about you, but I was in the military long enough ago to remember the initial anthrax vaccines that were still being developed when they were made mandatory.
It's one thing to be reluctant about something because of ignorance and/or simply not knowing WTF you're talking about, but it's quite a bit different when someone has a track record for shifty/shady shit.
slowslownotbad t1_j717heg wrote
Yeah I’m Aussie, we mangled some people with experimental malaria stuff. East Timor. I get it.
Still, this ain’t that. mRNA had a huge rollout, and the stats supports vaccination. Benefit outweighs the danger.
tipper7959 t1_j72haqn wrote
I was skeptical of the covid vaccine when I first heard about it because I didn't understand how it came about so fast when vaccines up until then took years/decades to develop and test. As I learned more I felt more comfortable in the experts recommendations to get the vaccine and I was in line the first day it was publicly available.
It's okay to be skeptical of something at first take IMO but holding on to skepticism in the face of insurmountable evidence and expert guidance is foolish.
storm6436 t1_j72kvqi wrote
Except when it's not, which is the problem. Adding social pressure doesn't fix the trust issues, it makes them worse.
Half my friends and family are in the medical field, which isn't to say my position is magically correct, but that I'm not exactly ignorant of how things actually work either. To be more precise, I'm not a "but muh mercuryz!" clown or a "Fire doesn't melt steel!" loon.
I have zero problem with "Shit was hitting the fan, so we had to make something work," but I do have problems with people who will never pay the price for their decisions that also inherenty have conflicts of interest and a long history of corruption along with poor decision-making (ie. Politicians) claiming exigent circumstances to justify telling me I can't make my own choices. I spent a quarter of my life in the military, another good chunk working for the government in some form or fashion before becoming a physicist, and I grew up in a state with a reputation for corruption and government overeach. My distrust doesn't come from ignorance, it's based in decades of personal experience.
Hell, I hope mRNA tech takes off and it proves out, precisely because of the things it makes possible, but I'm also perfectly fine waiting for the kinks to get ironed out. The FDA has a pretty long track record of coming back 5-15 years later with, "So that thing we said was safe? Yeah, uh, sorry about that..."
path_name t1_j73s4h5 wrote
funny how this is seen as dissent
golsol t1_j71m3lf wrote
For us in the military it isn't that we are necessarily anti-vaccine. We are anti injecting us with experimental shit that we have no choice over due to military regulation. I have no problem with vaccines in general but will wait for peer reviewed studies over long periods of time before I put experimental medicine of any sort in my body once I leave the military
slowslownotbad t1_j71nov8 wrote
In my experience, the military people that say “it’s not safe” when it’s a vaccine, are the ones that do the most dumb shit outside of work. And inside of work.
PaulMacNAlba t1_j716107 wrote
While pushing conspiracy theories that a cure for cancer existed since the 70s but has been silenced by them
dawcza t1_j71df1l wrote
I suppose there is a difference in ones acceptance of eg. risk or unknown if the alternative is certain death as opposed to flu.
ChasteAnimation t1_j7455xa wrote
The flu? Wasn't the antivax push primarily over COVID 19? You know, the deadliest pandemic in US history...
RevolutionaryMood452 t1_j71fve7 wrote
The German Anti Vax Community already started to bash the Vaccine because of mRNA, but they lost their mind anyways
ABobby077 t1_j72dwep wrote
Then they should just get the Johnson and Johnson which doesn't use the mRNA
RevolutionaryMood452 t1_j73004u wrote
Bro they had „reasons“ against every Vaccine haha
tipper7959 t1_j72g1lc wrote
That seems like a problem that will fix itself over time though right? If the rational people go get the vaccine and don't get cancer and the antivaxxers die at a greater rate... Eventually that evidence will be irrefutable and the norm will just be go get your fucking shots. Or the antivax idea will succumb to attrition over a long enough timeframe. Either way I'm gonna get a cancer vaccine.
ChasteAnimation t1_j746b5a wrote
I don't think conspiratorial neurosis just goes away on its own.
The more you ignore it, the more you silence it, the stronger the sentiment grows.
unpeople t1_j7bkjvt wrote
>I don't think conspiratorial neurosis just goes away on its own.
It goes away if the person with conspiratorial neurosis dies of cancer because they refused to get the cancer vaccine, though.
essaitchthrowaway3 t1_j71abuc wrote
I hate how this is exactly the first thing I thought of as well.
Instead of being excited for this news and hopeful for the future, these anti vaxx morons are the first thing that popped into my head.
pukingpixels t1_j72mbcr wrote
The difference here being that unlike the COVID vaccine or vaccines for other transmittable diseases refusing a cancer vaccine will only affect them as far as health is concerned. So let them refuse it. Natural selection.
Happy-Fun-Ball t1_j77rxl5 wrote
Yep, no one needs to push it to keep others around them healthy.
But they shouldn't burden others with healthcare costs for something easily preventable.
pukingpixels t1_j78fc5e wrote
As far as I’m concerned if you refuse the vaccine and need treatment you can pay for it out of pocket. I wouldn’t be surprised if insurance companies in countries with privatized healthcare will refuse to cover any costs associated with the treatment for someone who refused the vaccine as well.
MaddyKet t1_j7aty7m wrote
Yeah they can’t spread cancer by refusing the vaccine.
unbelievablefidelity t1_j70zhue wrote
I predict a large percentage would very quietly/sheepishly (lol🐑🐑🐑!! /s) accept the cancer vaccine if it were to help them not die.
ChasteAnimation t1_j7462cw wrote
Probably, but a large percentage is also going to vehemently oppose the vaccine based on intuition alone... Just like with covid.
unbelievablefidelity t1_j749tdr wrote
Agreed! I just wonder with the Covid vaccine being a form of preventative action/community duty…mixed with the anti-vax rhetoric of “it’s just the flu!” vs being diagnosed with something potentially fatal and having something tailored to potentially fix it…there a bit more immediate personal urgency.
But like you said, many will still refuse it, based solely on the mRNA tag alone.
Anywho. I’m stoked on the potential of this tailored vaccine!
ChasteAnimation t1_j74bfm9 wrote
>there a bit more immediate personal urgency.
You might be right. At the very least, they probably believe that cancer is dangerous. Which is... Something lol.
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walkerisduder t1_j73svpw wrote
I didn’t take the vaccine, but primarily because I wasn’t high risk. I think there’s quite a lot of difference between trying to fight cancer than taking a vaccine for Covid and I’d imagine folks in that position would likely opt in.
ChasteAnimation t1_j745clv wrote
Yeah, one major difference being that the COVID vaccine's effectiveness was contingent on herd immunity...
letsstopthebleeding t1_j74ddm7 wrote
It could make people go the other way actually. If successful on Cancer plus conspiracy theories aging out overtime maybe the pengilum will swing back. If it was me I would have the face of this drug be an independent scientIst. Leaving no possible monitary, company affiliation, spouse connection for imaginations to run wild. Not that I have it all my damn self.
crypt_keeping t1_j760uie wrote
Same idiots run to the hospital for chemotherapy when they’re dying
Venaliator t1_j766bpw wrote
i am not getting it. never.
you go get it 😂
twilight-actual t1_j7762uj wrote
If you were on your deathbed with only days to live, you wouldn't get it?
Sure about that?
Venaliator t1_j77jkim wrote
couple days better than zero days though
NinjaQuatro t1_j72cyuz wrote
The new rallying cry will be vaccines give you cancer
zbenesch t1_j72ipkh wrote
You mean further than it already is? Because covid vaccine bad, chip, magnetic skin, mind control (whatever that is, I dared not to dwelve deep).
MysticRanger508 t1_j72o3kx wrote
Who knows those idiots probably won’t even know aboit it! They don’t like to do real research! They say the mRNA vax genetically modifies you, yet it is not true genetic modification. I am genetically modified and it was done by my cells being removed from my body via aphresis and sent to a specialized lab of whic there are 1-2 in the country, and each was individually genetically altered before being put back in my body. This melted my terminal stage IV cancer in four major organs away in a week. You don’t see them crying about CarT cell therapy though which is real genetic modification. They don’t even knkw about it and likely won’t know or care what the cancer conmunity is doing. They just like to find things that suit their need for complaint! They probably wouldn’t want to lokk bad for trying to take treatment away from cancer patients if they did hear of it, so it wouldn’t serve their interest to cry about it. They’ll probably ignore this life saving texhnology and continue to freak about the covid vax.
ChasteAnimation t1_j746l9e wrote
Human genetic modification is going to become so commonplace in the future. There are just so many amazing applications for it.
MysticRanger508 t1_j747mm8 wrote
I completely agree! It’s definetly in our future! Maybe once more and more diseases are cured on account of it, then people will be more accepting. I have come across many people online who do not even realieze humans are getting genetically modified now.
flux_capacitor3 t1_j72x0ui wrote
I printed out a sheet and posted it at my work. It was from the CDC and explained how mRNA vaccines don’t change your DNA. Your DNA is in the nucleus of cells and the vaccine doesn’t go in there. I had to do this because of all the moronic conversations i overheard at my work.
ChasteAnimation t1_j746q1u wrote
I've heard people talk about how the vaccines magnetize your body....
Zalanox t1_j72ywq9 wrote
They already did! Remember Covid?
srg0pdrs4 t1_j732svv wrote
I strongly support them not taking any vaccines.
Duranu t1_j73644p wrote
I've seen "I am Legend", Cancer vaccine bad, /s
Competitive_Ad_5515 t1_j739j0l wrote
Where have you been? mRNA tech has already become a boogeyman that they have been crowing about since the first COVID vaccines
Reynolds_Live t1_j73afyp wrote
They probably already are.
Allhellforatreefort t1_j73cfoy wrote
As a guy that has leukemia, fuck these people.
ShemhazaiX t1_j73fxgw wrote
Depends. I think (well, hope) that it'd be a smaller contingent of people against this than Covid vaccines. I think there was a rational fear among many that the Covid vaccines hadn't been tested long term (thalidomide is still a living memory for many), and combined with feeling like they were being forced to take it, many people became quite anxious and susceptible to people pushing conspiratorial narratives. A cancer "vaccine" is never going to be mandatory and there's no rush for people to take it since this isn't a preventative. Makes it a harder sell for people pushing the dumb idea that it's a mind control tracking chip that'll turn your kids gay or whatever bullshit they were spewing.
ReturnOfSeq t1_j73sgcb wrote
Dying en masse from covid and cancer is owning the libs so hard
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ChasteAnimation t1_j745tpy wrote
>Or maybe people will look at each treatment separately & consider the benefits, risks & circumstances
Why would they do that? they didn't weigh the options with COVID.... They just took up the anti-establishment, conspiratorial bandwagon and followed suit as blindly as anyone else.
Only instead of following the recommendations of the world's leading experts, they followed fringe researchers and conmen populists.
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ChasteAnimation t1_j74axwa wrote
>What are you talking about? 80% of the USAs population took the vaccine, 70% of the entire world population took the vaccine.
We're talking about antivaxers, don't drag the rest of humanity along in an attempt to appear more rational than you are.
20-30% is a significant amount. The apprehension to get the vaccine was significantly more pronounced at the height of the pandemic as well.
It's also worth noting that those figures you're referring to also include partial vaccination.
>And for what? So that {x} pharma companies made record profits for a 'vaccine' that didn't provide immunity or stop transmission.
What?
Wait... Are you going to do that thing where you say that the vaccine doesn't give you 100% immunity and that means big pharma is lying to you? Boring...
The vaccine has been shown to be extremely effective at preventing and mitigating the infection.
It's not 100%, no. I have no idea why anyone would think it is 100%, as that's not the case for literally any medical treatment in the history of all medical science.
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ChasteAnimation t1_j74hv2r wrote
Well you'll have to forgive me. Every time I argue with someone who is "skeptic" they point me to a ridiculous documentary, or some schizoid manifesto.
I haven't personally delved into the corruption and conspiracy surrounding pharma companies. I'm sure there is corruption, and I'm sure people have suffered for the sake of profits, but I'm hesitant to buy into a grand conspiracy (not sure if that's what you're suggesting).
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[deleted] t1_j72s46m wrote
Tell that to my dead friend who died right after taking the covid vaccine
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