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xieta t1_j45ynte wrote

Reply to comment by Julie_mrrea in Cancer vaccines are showing promise. Here’s how they work. by nastratin

If it’s any consolation, climate change won’t end the planet, and almost certainly won’t end the species.

When we do eventually stabilize the climate, we’ll come out the other side as a species capable of regulating its entire planet’s environment, which is pretty big step in our development.

We probably won’t live to see the recovery, but we can (and probably will) live through the treatment.

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Julie_mrrea t1_j46dwi0 wrote

Not really a consolation but thanks. Some of us will survive yay maybe even science and society won't go back to xix century. Perhaps someone will remember about women rights and minorities. Maybe. There is always hope. Perhaps maybe we won't see second and third hitler. It could be that school system will be still there in some form and healthcare.

A big maybe but perhaps religions won't make a big comeback in hard times to their fundamentalistic roots?

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xieta t1_j46f66b wrote

A lot more than some. People will suffer, but mass starvation does not seem likely.

The best and worst thing about climate change is that it's a creeping problem, not a single event. It takes long time to recognize the problem, but we also have lots of time to adapt and respond.

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Julie_mrrea t1_j46gq9w wrote

That makes sense but from what I know it already or as we speak crosses certain thresholds that make it impossible to go back in the near mid term at least. What I commented is also a form of adaptation from evolutionary point of view. That's what I am scared of - adaptation. Strong survive 'weak', poor go extinct. You believe science progress will prevent the worst. I can't afford faith i probably should do prep work in 5 to 10 years and must follow the topic closely to check rate of changes. If it won't come to the worst then yay nice but if it comes better to be ready. It's not just some reddit abstract talk but life altering thing.

Already things are bad tbh here thanks to alt right gov chosen because of climate immigration.

For example I must make a lifelong supply of grey market life saving medicine soonish. That's prep work

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xieta t1_j46mi21 wrote

> That's what I am scared of - adaptation. Strong survive 'weak', poor go extinct.

Adaptation means the fittest survive, but fitness is just a measure of how well a species thrives in its environment, not just strength. Our adaptation to climate change is not evolution of our genes, it's changing our society to eliminate green house gas emissions, and become more resilient to severe weather events and loss of biodiversity. None of those are outside our abilities.

> You believe science progress will prevent the worst.

Scientific progress is very useful, but adapting to climate change is actually much more of a political and engineering problem than a scientific one.

I'm optimistic for that reason. We have the knowledge and tech, we just need the motivation to act. Fortunately, the worse it gets, the stronger that motivation becomes.

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Julie_mrrea t1_j46o86p wrote

You seem to expect people will orderly go in lines when the supermarket burns. That seems rather... detached. It is gonna be free for all in there at some point, anarchy. That's what i am prepping for. The fact that you haven't even asked me where I live says a lot about this discussion. In some places over the world it already started. Pakistan right now is very hellish of a place to be in.

62% of population lives on less than $10 per day. We are not the rule but exception that soon can and probably will correct a bit

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