Submitted by FDuquesne t3_10gquk6 in Futurology
Surur t1_j54xk7e wrote
Reply to comment by Fiskifus in The race to make diesel engines run on hydrogen by FDuquesne
Maybe your QoL measure does not measure things like not being under threat of being invaded or having a space programme.
Fiskifus t1_j54y3kf wrote
How many times has Costa Rica been invaded?
Regarding a space program, yeah cool, but priorities no? Maybe you'd rather explore space while most humanity lives in misery, I'd rather explore the universe with humanity's needs met, we might all enjoy the space exploration way more, don't you think?
Also... planetary limits and tipping points... if we surpass them we might never be able to explore space ever again, either because we've depleted key materials and resources, or because we've gone extinct.
Are we aiming for short-term gains or long-term civilisation? Is this Futurology or Presentology?
Surur t1_j54ygg9 wrote
> Is this Futurology or Presentology?
Exactly. Your shortemism does not apply.
Fiskifus t1_j54yxgp wrote
Yeah, because pretending we can keep indefinitely growing in a finite planet is soooo longtermist... Good luck with your cancerous economy.
Surur t1_j54zuqu wrote
> in a finite planet
There's your problem right there lol. What are you even doing on r/futurology?
Fiskifus t1_j551qsm wrote
wait, you think that we can extract resources faster than their regeneration cycles with no consequences at all? lol
Surur t1_j552fv0 wrote
> faster than their regeneration cycles
I hope you are not one of those crackpots who think oil comes from deep carbon deposits close to the centre of the earth, right?
> no consequences at all
The consequence will be that we will be motivated to expand beyond this rock for more resources, which is a major advantage for humanity.
Fiskifus t1_j5552x5 wrote
>I hope you are not one of those crackpots who think oil comes from deep carbon deposits close to the centre of the earth, right?
No, I hope you are not one of those crackpots who think cheap, easily extractable oil is infinite, and that it doesn't get harder and more expensive (not only money, but energy-wise) to extract the more it is extracted.
>The consequence will be that we will be motivated to expand beyond this rock for more resources, which is a major advantage for humanity.
Do you know anything about planetary tipping points? The earth's climate could turn to something more resembling Mercury if we surpass certain warming tipping points, and same can be said regarding acidification of oceans, biodiversity reduction, and many other tipping points which, if surpassed, it'll be impossible to come back from, and we require as a species. The world and life in general could survive climate catastrophe, humans won't.
stivo t1_j5521s0 wrote
Costa Rica? Remind me what happens when they get hit by a hurricane?
Fiskifus t1_j553ej1 wrote
That they get universal public health care and robust public services to rebuild, please check the homelessness rate of Costa Rica.
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