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[deleted] t1_j3eof3e wrote

Reply to comment by coughdrop1989 in A biotech firm says the U.S. has approved its vaccine for honeybees by BorgesBorgesBorges60

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3eon18 wrote

And I never said that this vaccine wouldn't be a good thing, just feel like there are other avenues that also need to be explored and may possibly benefit from but they don't wanna go that route. Yet here we are.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3ep3rd wrote

Ya, these are different problems and since the farmers have this immediate problem, a bee vaccine is good.

And you absolutely implied it wouldn't be a good thing, you called it magic in a demeaning way even lmao. You 100% implied it wouldn't help. Do you need me to find the comment?

If you like the vaccine for bees then why are you crying about it?

Bee farmers aren't gonna magically stop pesticides.

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3epucr wrote

Yes I did say it was the magical cure all because that's pretty much how you're making it seem and that is just far from true. Noone has even even tried to get Monsanto to stop killing the bees with pesticides so how do we know it doesn't even work? And yes if everyone stood together you'd be surprised at how powerful the people really are. Yet I know that's a tough thing to overcome but not impossible.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3eqv6g wrote

Show me where is said anything other than that the vaccine will help maintain bee populations suffering from the specific disease this vaccine was engineered for specifically in bee farms.

Show me.

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3ertmf wrote

? Never accused you of this? You've been very clear in your stance. This vaccine is for the bees on bee farms. My stance is that since pesticides inherently weaken their immune system and I know for a fact these bees aren't in a enclosed box to never ever see the world then their chance of running into a pesticide or herbicide of some kind is of great chance. This with a weakened immune system they can't fight off the mites they've been living with since we'll forever. Bees have been around for over 130 million years. You don't find just a bit coincidental that over that whole time frame in the 1940s they start going into decline? That's my stance never said this was really bad. Wouldn't be my first alternative which I've been very adamant about. Not sure where you're confused on where I stand on the matter.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3etmta wrote

Why are you still talking about wild bees.

Bee farmers dont have alternatives, this is the life we have so a vaccine is a good thing for bee farms and honey production.

We can make a vaccine and also be mad at pesticides.

Also check this out. https://www.wired.com/2016/08/jerry-hayes-how-to-save-the-bees-monsanto/

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3exicv wrote

That article says Monsanto doesn't even make pesticides. It's a lie and so the truth comes out. You are a Monsanto fanboy. Now that the dirty laundry is aired out we can go about our day. Kind of funny I never thought I would come in contact with someone who actually advocates for Monsanto. Good read though until the lies so that discredits the whole article unfortunately.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3f03ps wrote

It does not say that. It in fact says Monsanto do make pesticides, it's sort of the point of the article. That's why Monsanto is the "unlikely ally" - it's really simple to understand actually. They wouldn't be an "unlikely ally" if they didn't make pesticides. If you actually read the article you would understand that.

You didn't read it, Don't lie. If you did you would know it doesn't say anything like you claim. It's pretty sad tbh.

Why would you lie about reading this? What a shitty trait to have as a human.

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3fdlf2 wrote

The rhetoric offended Hayes’ sense of fairness. He knew that environmentalists linked colony collapse to neonicotinoid insecticides and that they thought Monsanto was somehow to blame. But he also knew that Monsanto doesn’t make insecticides. The company’s most famous product, glyphosate—that’s Roundup—kills plants. Its second-most famous product—Roundup-ready seeds—allows plants to resist its most famous product.

I didn't read it huh? Okay.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fdu5e wrote

>insecticides

You are really, really not very bright eh?

Roundup is weed killer.

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3fgh4o wrote

What? I know what round up is but yea you're right I didn't realize that insecticides are pesticides but they mainly go after a certain stage in the pests life. The more you know. And you just don't stop with the insults do you?

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fhn6a wrote

Well you keep saying stupid ass shit and calling me a Trump voter or Monsanto Stan among tons of other things.

Your insults don't count tho, I guess? Mine are worse because I said swear words?

I should remind you that you claimed not all vaccines are important, that bee farms aren't a large enough of a population to matter, that the vaccine wont help with foul brood disease, that we shouldn't bother with it because other issues in the world exist, and that anyone who's pro this vaccine is a Monsanto Stan. You also backtracked on basically every one of these claims lol.

Whatever, kick rocks this isn't really fun anymore lol.

Edit: you also got mad about vaccine manufacturers then pretended you weren't anti vax.

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coughdrop1989 t1_j3fircd wrote

Wow. You really are a trump supporter if you're this delusional.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3fj20y wrote

Literally everything I said here is documented in the previous comments lol. Want me to prove it?

Edit: i highlighted some dumb shit you said for you.

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FeFiFoShizzle t1_j3etjmy wrote

>how you're making it seem and that is just far from true.

Here is where you accused me of that

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