Submitted by SantoshiEspada t3_10omwyu in Futurology
decoy1985 t1_j6gzu48 wrote
Reply to comment by RoxyGlaw in Private UBI by SantoshiEspada
I disagree. Most people want to do plenty of things, but can't because they have to grind away at a pointless job to survive. Artists and musicians are one example. Also tons of people would rather pursue hobbies and develop them into crafts and trades but they can't because there is no way to survive doing that, and working a job doesn't leave time to ever take it that far. Likewise tons of people would rather be developing tech skills, coding, researching, and innovating, but get stuck in dead end jobs, or otherwise can't find the time or money to get there.
If it wasn't for the pandemic, and having months of time and some CERB to cover the bills, I might never have managed to put enough time and effort into woodworking to turn it into a job now. At the very least it would have taken many more years. I worked my ass off during my extra time off, and I am not special or unique in any way.
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People want to do the things that interest them, that they can engage with, that give them fulfillment, which matter. Capitalism presents significant barriers to that most of the time.
They might not work as many hours a day or week given the chance to take time for their families, for self care, and for living, but that just speaks to how much capitalism drives people to work like dogs to the detriment of everything else in their life. It doesn't mean people are being lazy for wanting to have a healthy work life balance.
You seem to be labouring under a delusion. That system has never been tried. There has yet to be an actual communist nation on Earth. The USSR and China failed their revolutions and were co-opted into brutal authoritarian state capitalism, and then exported that corrupt system under false label of communism and socialism.
Capitalism doesn't reward the motivated, it rewards those who are already wealthy. The rest of us mostly get held down and often punished despite working our asses off. Most of those so-called lazy are actually disabled or otherwise infirm, and suffer immensely for it under capitalism. There is nothing fair about how capitalism works. It is a system of massive inequality built on exploitation and generational wealth. It is the height of delusion to claim the rich were rewarded for hard work and everyone else is being penalized for being lazy.
RoxyGlaw t1_j6hse0y wrote
That’s cool you can disagree. You make some great points like your experience with becoming a wood worker and how hard you had to work to get there. Also your point about how there has never been a true communist state and how it was always compromised by thugs and the people we’re repressed. I agree with all of that. Where we diverge is basic human nature. I’m sure our experiences in getting to where we are right now have been considerably different. My opinion of human nature has been shaped by those experiences as yours has. To me a true egalitarian society is impossible. I would love to see something like that possible but until we can banish greed and pettiness from the human genome we will continue to see egalitarianism used as a tool to enslave by Megalomaniacs. I must also disagree with the “capitalism” (free markets) not rewarding the motivated (personal experience).
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