Stillwater215 t1_j6gcwv9 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 3:08 AM

I think UBI is where we’ll eventually end up, but I can’t see the transition being something smooth. I am anticipating some kind of economic collapse to rival the Great Depression, followed by a period of civil unrest, that (hopefully) turns into a near post-scarcity economy.

IGetNakedAtParties t1_j6gxd84 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 6:07 AM

It took a huge war in Europe (1914), a pandemic (1918), the great depression (1929), and a technological revolution (cars, telegraph, mass production) to invert politics and give the US a minimum wage... It will probably take something like a war in Europe (2022), pandemic (2020), market crash (2021), and technological revolution (EVs, AI, Automation) to do the same again... I'm sure that will never happen again!

TheSecretAgenda t1_j6hlsjx wrote on January 30, 2023 at 11:34 AM

If Wal-Mart and Target and all the other mass retailers want to stay in business, they will approve UBI. We are already seeing swarm looting attacks on retailers. Increase those incidents by a factor of 100 if nobody is working and has not money to buy things and they will be out business. Then there is no place to purchase food. It will be like a zombie apocalypse.