linearphaze t1_j2znobg wrote
Reply to comment by labradore99 in Here Are Some Alternative Protein & Future Food Innovations Heading to CES 2023 by Realistic-Plant3957
They aren't as healthy as plain meat that's for sure. I love people downvoting you for a personal opinion lol. You went against the hive mind.
Whitechapel726 t1_j30510b wrote
People aren’t downvoting for a difference in opinion. They’re downvoting because factory farming is objectively abhorrent, both morally and environmentally. When people try to discuss alternatives there’s always some goober that comes along whos suddenly a health expert with a contrarian opinion.
It’s just a dumb thing to say.
linearphaze t1_j305y8e wrote
Factory farming is morrally abhorrent is an opinion in itself. So is Factory farming. I live in Florida. We have a lot of cows. They deficate in the fields they roam. They drink water from man made lakes that don't need any mechanical refilling. They live most of their lives in fields. When it's time for slaughter they die instantly. They live a good life. I'll have my steak thanks. You eat frankenfood if you want. In my opinion the cows live a good life. I raise chickens in my back yard. They live a good life, then when i slaughter them, they die quickly. I have no need for highly processed pasteurized meat substitute. That's my opinion.
Whitechapel726 t1_j307476 wrote
I’m not talking about a farm raising a few cows and some chickens, or someone hunting their own animals. I’m talking about factory farms that slaughter animals by the thousands per hours. It’s terrible for the environment, not to mention the quality of the meat is poor. Plus it’s just fucking depressing to see
Morally less objective but I strongly disagree giving a cow “a good life” before you slaughter them is still not a pass. It still results in death and I see no difference in doing it with dogs, horses, hamsters, etc. if that happened people would lose their minds.
Do you call Coca-Cola or hot dogs frankfood?
linearphaze t1_j309hko wrote
I eat mainly meat, vegetables and fruit. I'll occasionally have something like tacos or sushi. Humans need to eat. It's a necessary evil. By growing crops, we mass kill insects and birds. Entire eco systems collapse by clearing land, applying pesticides, and fertilizer. People need to eat. We can't all hunt for food, or we would wipe the earth clean very quickly. Vegans and vegetarians are malnourished. Meat is an important staple for us to eat. Factory farming is a solution to starvation. Where do you draw the line exactly? How many wild animals get wiped out by farming? For any benefit, there is a loss. Doesn't matter what it is. If cows were in the wild and man never entered the picture, they would be constantly hunted by prey animals. They would be infected with bugs, worms, etc. They would die early anyway through predation, starvation, infection, ect. . A predatory animal takes time to kill. When you stop and think about it deeply, we are trading a better, healthier life in return for our predation and a quick kill. It's reasonable.
Life is cruel. Life is competitive. Nature is hell. It's simply reality. We are nature. You just favor a cute animal you can see being killed over the insects, wildlife, and natural environmental collapse you can't. We have to eat.
Whitechapel726 t1_j30btov wrote
lol you ignored every part of both my responses to just say “life sucks and we’re gonna do it anyway”. I’m not trying to convince you not to eat meat. I’m making the point that MASS PRODUCED factory farm meat is fucked up, and arguing to the contrary either confirms ignorance or argument in bad faith.
I’m a 6’4” 230lb bodybuilder who doesn’t eat meat, come over and tell me I’m malnourished and how protein works lmao.
TheMoonflow t1_j34jgtg wrote
Well done, you're a master at the art of dodging the debater's points.
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