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Moos_Mumsy t1_j224ukj wrote

Reply to comment by CollegeMiddle6841 in What do you imagine the world will look like in 2050? by psychosil444

I was born in 1958. The last 20 years has been a trip for you, but for me it's been a bad trip. I'd just as soon not have been around to see it, and I'm hoping not to see the next 20. It's just too much.

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jhirn t1_j226fkl wrote

What the hell happened that was so bad in the last 20 years?

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Moos_Mumsy t1_j228zbk wrote

Smart Phones

Facebook/Twitter/Tik-Tok & Social Media in general

Donald J. Trump and the global rise of Fascism

SARS-CoV-2 (aka Covid-19)

Increasing homelessness, poverty, loneliness

I could probably think of more....

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jhirn t1_j229ruf wrote

Really? Smart Phones make you want to not live anymore? Social Media is easily avoidable, at least something you can make not all consuming.

Trump, ok I’ll give you that one lol.

Covid sucked but it’s a marvel that we created a vaccine so quickly and in the grand scheme of things it could have been a lot worse.

Homelessness and poverty aren’t great but population growth is slowing. It’s out of your control so it shouldn’t get you so down.

I think there’s a lot to be grateful for if you focus on that instead. Hope you can find a way to be happy friend.

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Apprehensive_Ring_46 t1_j22kyuu wrote

20 years ago, when you got on a bus or in a cafe, everyone wasn't glued to their phones and laptops. The end of informal social interaction.

The rise in political extremism is unfathomable in a modern society, but here we are. Where will we go with this?

Don't worry about Covid, what about the next one?

Tens of thousands living on the streets in America? And no end in sight of that? And in 30 years?

I was born in '56.

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jhirn t1_j22m8n8 wrote

It probably looks that way but people don’t want to talk to you on a bus or in a cafe. Kids are doing just fine, despite how you think they should be behaving. When you talk about political extremism, be reminded 27,000 people were killed, per day, for 4 years during WW2. The Afghan war went on for 20 years and estimated casualties are under 200k. Any loss of life is awful and war sucks, but let’s not act like this “rise in facism” is resulting in atrocities of the same scale.

Just because the media makes its money fear mongering doesn’t mean we’re worse off by any means.

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Rabid_Sloth_ t1_j2309i2 wrote

I'm on your side here but I'd just give up here lol. People don't realize that we live in the most civilized time in human history.

I mean, it's been less than a hundred years since being able to have a flushed toilet was common...

People just like to complain.

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jhirn t1_j230cso wrote

Ha. Thx don’t worry about me tho. I’m certainly not worried about these fools.

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Rabid_Sloth_ t1_j230mp2 wrote

Reddit and the internet in general truly is something else. A few weeks back this dude tried arguing with me about gun control EVEN THOUGH HE AGREED WITH WHAT I WAS SAYING. He just didn't like the point I used. Smh. Why I rarely get into it with people on here.

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Gtuf1 t1_j253id0 wrote

It’s all a very negative outlook on the world. People born in the 1920s May have thought the same about the sexual Revolution or the 60s that people born in the early 50s brought about. Was it really so terrible in the context of the greater history?

I doubt it.

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tomwesley4644 t1_j226xgu wrote

A whole lot. But also remember, they were born in ‘58. This is a shared opinion by a lot this age.

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[deleted] t1_j22chiy wrote

What was it exactly that prompted you to immediately digress into a racial themed response like that and call out the poster? Was it the year they mentioned?

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jhirn t1_j22da90 wrote

most people this glum are people who think everything is falling to shit and wish things were the same as “back in the day” and lean conservative, so that’s why. I’m not young either. I get it some libs are doom and gloom but only since trump, so if he would have said the past 5 years were hell I might have poked in the other way.

I just hate this idea that the world is falling apart when it is definitively better than it ever has been and continues to vastly improve.

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arrogancygames t1_j22djlp wrote

It's kind of suspect.

In 58, women and black people were not allowed to work, information was very regionally controlled, and it was really, really hard for people to educate themselves on anything. You had libraries, but without college pushing you, you had no idea what to read.

The side effect of this is that average white males basically were able to have an average existence and still cheaply own houses, cars, etc. and get regular sex. Women couldn't get decent jobs, so they were forced to marry and stick with dudes they didn't necessarily want for other comfort. Latin and black people couldn't get the best jobs so there was no competition, etc. The "nuclear family" is basically based on this lack of competition and choice. That's what "Make America Great Again" is all about.

Time trav me back to 1958 and I'll end up lynched on a tree because I get dragged behind a truck for getting tired of someone calling me the N word where I couldn't live a basic existence or even get property and it wears on me too much where I get myself killed.

The 50s is a ridiculously ludicrous time for anyone to say, and when they do, they're hugely suspect.

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WarmAdhesiveness8962 t1_j22c1u9 wrote

Born in 58 as well and glad I got to be a kid when I did. Part of me would like to stick around to see what the future holds, the other part makes me kind of glad I won't be here a whole lot longer considering our current trajectory. One thing that gives me hope for future generations is I see younger people becoming more aware of the mistakes that have been made and they're making attempts to correct them. Read The Fourth Turning by Strauss and Howe.

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arrogancygames t1_j22dvtw wrote

My dad was born in 58 and his parents couldn't own property and they couldn't drink out of the same water fountains as other people. My grandmother could at best be a maid, and would basically make pennies to do so. Every gay person was completely in the closet. Please explain what was so great about that period?

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Moos_Mumsy t1_j22hd2s wrote

There was nothing great about the things you mentioned, but you need to be worried about the current rise of Fascism - Christo Fascism in particular that is aiming to bring those days of discrimination, hatred and racism back. I hate to think that I might live to see what my parents saw in the 30's and knowing that I am helpless to stop it.

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arrogancygames t1_j22hzx2 wrote

There is a lot of worry, but we need to isolate these I Love the 50s people and see what exactly they love. I expect them to never answer and run away because they realize a tipped hand.

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Moos_Mumsy t1_j22jsix wrote

So, are you saying you're OK with the current rise of Fascism? Why, because you can't imagine that it can be true so you're going to stick your head in the sand and look backwards instead of forwards? There are a whole bunch of German's from the 30's who'd love to explain to you what a bad idea that is.

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arrogancygames t1_j22kqh6 wrote

I'm so sincerely lost as to why you consider this as a reply to my reply that I have no idea what to say.

Unless you're doing one of those the Left are the true fascists things? But youre talking about the Right rise. Dunno seriously lost.

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Moos_Mumsy t1_j24tfn5 wrote

You need to worry about what is happening NOW, and not the happy childhood memories of people born in the 50's as if we were committing some kind of crime. I'm sorry that my childhood was happy and carefree, unburdened with the knowledge of what was happening, but being angry at me for it will not change the past. As I said, as adults we are now aware of what was going on back then and we need to not allow that piece of history to repeat itself.

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arrogancygames t1_j24wejf wrote

I literally said nothing about anger, you may be projecting. It's simple; we use history to inform us of the future. Realizing that part of the rise of fascism now is based on trying to return things to the 50s standard of where minorities, gay people, and women were subservient helps us to better fight against the rise of facism. We can use further back history like Germany, etc. to compare the patterns to, to better help us fight it. That's how it works.

Fascism wasn't being fought in the 50s because you has multiple basic slave classes to support those in power already. It had already won to a large degree. We now have to make sure it doesn't get back there.

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Background_Agent551 t1_j22lkg3 wrote

I get what you’re saying, but the other person has a valid point. It seems like people are focusing too much on the mistakes and injustices of the past and are not acknowledging that we are treading dangerous waters with the increase in authoritarianism and fascist states sprouting about throughout the world. I fear that the widespread use of identity politics and "culture wars" dividing us and making it harder for people to rally together and help one another. Maybe it is a bit naive or simplistic to say that things were better back in the past, because obviously things were not great for everyone back then, but I think most people can feel like something just isn’t right at the moment culturally speaking.

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arrogancygames t1_j22m3l2 wrote

The only way to get people to figure out the sins of the current is to recognize the sins of the past.

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Background_Agent551 t1_j22np8k wrote

I agree with that statement, but I fear we’re making the mistake of only looking at the past almost as if it was a mistake or like if we’re morally/ethically superior to past generations. We’re currently the most progressive society to ever live both culturally and economically. We definitely have problems don’t get me wrong, but I’ve noticed that whenever it comes to discussing the past, a lot of people just tend to focus on the negative side of past, while ignoring the positive stuff which could be used as motivation to bring more positivity into our world/ current reality. I think that in order to have a balanced understanding of life we must be able to accept the realities of both the good and the bad in the hopes of finding equilibrium.

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arrogancygames t1_j22oft2 wrote

I kind of see it as the reverse. The 60s were glorified as hippies and peaceful marches changing history when it was actually bloody and crazy and knowing that the white youths being scared of the draft combined with minorities starting to get more and more violent means that the country had to move a different way to flourish.

Less about showing the past and more about hiding the darkest parts of the past.

Look at how few people knew about racists bombing black prosperity until Watchmen came out.

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