Submitted by upyoars t3_zxuefe in Futurology
the_zelectro t1_j22htr4 wrote
This is pretty cool!!
Granted, if that mothership showed up in our neck of the woods, we're probably screwed.
I'm also skeptical of warp drives. But, there's definitely a chance of detecting something that moves slower than light-speed.
SterlingVapor t1_j22tpzg wrote
>Granted, if that mothership showed up in our neck of the woods, we're probably screwed.
Why? They're building ships larger than Earth and space is huge and full of resources, the only possible reason for them to give our planet a second glance is for us and maybe to study life in general
And maybe it's too wipe us out, but again... Why? Space is really, really big. Fighting over resources is dumb, everything's entirely recyclable with enough energy and automation. Energy is what matters.
So if the stars start going out, there's reason for worry... Other than that, it's humans projecting our own failings on aliens. Factions would form demanding we eliminate potential future threats, and so we think aliens might have this same thought...
But we ignore the fact as we are we'd never be able to build a ship like that. Even if we had the technology and resources handed to us, politics and infighting would leave us with a mismatched mess that would fall apart as we argued over if it even needs maintenance
skinte1 t1_j240qc1 wrote
>Why? They're building ships larger than Earth and space is huge and full of resources, the only possible reason for them to give our planet a second glance is for us and maybe to study life in general
Could be our planet is so small they're not even giving it a first glance... Like forestry machinery driving over an anthill to get to the area they are going to log. Using our sun for fuel before continuing on their merry way etc...
the_zelectro t1_j22ugxf wrote
Earth is puny. But... Our Sun might be useful.
There are unique things about our Sun. It's an energy dense mid-sequence star, in a galaxy mostly comprised of red giants. Also, it's in the center of a fairly empty region of space: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencealert.com/the-solar-system-floats-in-a-void-now-we-know-how-that-void-triggered-the-formation-of-stars/amp
If some aliens decided that our star is good for refueling or for settling a colony (or both) we'd be toast.
To achieve any fraction of the speed of light, you'll need a ton of energy. And, due to time-dilation, it's a one-way trip. If aliens decide to swing by us, it can only mean so many things...
camplate t1_j2f7a8l wrote
Did you mean red dwarfs? M-type stars are 80% of stars, red giants are 0.4%
NoGoodDM t1_j247b39 wrote
They’ll probably destroy earth to make room for a new space highway.
ABoyWithNoBlob t1_j24lint wrote
You’ve got to build bypasses.
x31b t1_j25bucy wrote
Strawberry ripple in the space time continuum? What happened to Eddy? I thought that’s where he was.
Miguel-odon t1_j25shfz wrote
Maybe they have a policy of eliminating sentient life before it can become a threat.
Maybe they just like hunting undeveloped species in exotic locations.
Maybe the humanoid form is considered blasphemy against their deity?
DamianFullyReversed t1_j2d2vsw wrote
If we do encounter an alien civilisation, I really hope they have good bioethics, or at least trivially care about us. But yeah, it’s scary a single individual can react so much differently. I sometimes rescue worms from footpaths, but the next person might step on them for fun. I’m a bit worried aliens could be like this, though I’m a bit optimistic in that I think they’ll engineer their own niceness into them.
BigCommieMachine t1_j2337zh wrote
I mean the whole issue here is if an alien species is so advanced to develop warp drives, certainly masking it wouldn’t be an issue.
That has always been my beef is UFOs…etc. You’re telling me life forms that are so advanced that they can intergalactically travel in a space craft the size of a small aircraft, but they can’t develop a better method of surveillance or stealth than flying around noticeably in airspace.
LittleKittyLove t1_j23rdm6 wrote
Fast forward 8 billion years. Earth heroically united to survive humanities existential crisis. Technology progressed until humans are cyborg gods. We are a many planet, post scarcity civilization.
A few million light years from earth, there is a galactic zoo planet called “Burf.” Burf was formed by humanity a couple billion years ago, as a sort of nature retreat. It was set to a nice temperature, seeded with some basic life, and left to sprout.
Burf is a wonderful planet. Life forms like to warp in, and work remote from its many beautiful vantage points. They watch waterfalls, and arctic storms. Float above the primitive ape cities, and casually follow their emerging stories.
Of course, we keep an eye on the apes to see if they will pass the great filter. After all, we don’t want to rescue a malevolent dying race and start an intergalactic war. Again.
If the primitive apes can realize that they are all stuck on the same lifeboat and come together for future generations, we will happily accept them into the galactic fold. If they succumb to violence and greed, we will let nature take its course, and perhaps help Burf recover from whatever stain they leave behind.
Sometimes our kind interacts with the apes. Frequently, it’s by accident, by getting too close. Sometimes, it is avid fans of the Ape Story, deliberately interjecting themselves to warn the apes that they’ll go extinct if they aren’t careful, or floating above their nuclear weapons, shining a bright red light on them to say “this is a bad idea.”
We’ve even had a few accidents out around Not Vegas involving intoxicants and bright neon lights. But we are not supposed to interfere, and to let the great filter do it’s work on Burf.
the_zelectro t1_j2349sf wrote
Masking a mothership might be an issue, especially on the scale discussed here.
The equations for reaching a fraction of the speed of light are fairly simple (specifically, without considering warp-drive techniques). Building a working system is undoubtedly complex, but it's chiefly a game of attaining the required energy.
Cloaking a large stellar object so that it's invisible is a much more difficult task. There still might be ways, but spacetime should see clear warping at the given masses and velocities.
Lord_Nivloc t1_j23i380 wrote
Well, if LIGO is detecting it, I’m not sure how they could hide. That would imply their warp drive created gravitational waves / ripples in the fabric of spacetime
jhev1 t1_j24qcvz wrote
That's very similar to what I say, why would they have to mutilate cattle and anally probe people? If they can get here they can probably tell everything they need to from orbit. The don't need to stick something up our ass or mutilate some helpless animals.
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