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Nixeris t1_j1ukqyr wrote

Reply to comment by Sadalfas in AI and education by lenhoi

That doesn't actually accomplish any of the goals of education. The purpose is to mentally enrich the student, not teach them a process.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j1vvik1 wrote

That's goofy.

Logic is a process. Math is a process. Historical contextualization and extrapolation is a process.

Education is riddled with processes, because thinking is riddled with processes.

Students don't merely exist in school, they pursue.

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Nixeris t1_j1w0tmw wrote

You're just appending the word process to class titles and expecting it to disprove me on it's own. It doesn't.

You don't learn history because knowing the dates when things happened is really important, and you don't learn math because you're going to have to do equations when you're an adult. You learn those subjects because they affect how you learn and think about the world.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j1w3qgf wrote

You said words in your first paragraph, but they literally have no bearing on this conversation.

Your second paragraph is fine. History is processes, power dynamics, politics, policies and paternity tests.

Math is more than memorization.

It's process. Or rather "skill" education that matters.

You're not wrong, you are just disagreeing from a space of inexpertise.

Educational policy, pedagogy, and programming are my career.

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Nixeris t1_j1w8fkt wrote

You don't learn the process because knowing the process is the most important thing you take away from the course. You learn the process because it affects how you learn and interact with the world. You can, and many will, forget the substance of the course, but the longest lasting effect will be the method of learning.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j1w8vrn wrote

Are you an AI?

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Nixeris t1_j1wm2iv wrote

I've given examples, and you're just ignoring them to pretend I'm being absurd.

The process of writing a paper improves your reading comprehension, written communication skills, and critical thinking. However, you're not writing the paper to get better at the process of writing papers. You're writing it to practice those ancillary skills and show to the teacher that you can do it. It's those skills that are the purpose of writing the paper, not the process of writing a paper.

The paper isn't the point, it's the test to see if you've gotten the important parts of the lesson. No more than the ability to answer multiple choice questions is the point of math tests.

You aren't learning these things because they're the most important things to being an adult, but because in learning them you learn and practice ancillary skills that are important to being a functioning member of society.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j1wr821 wrote

There is no process without skills.

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Nixeris t1_j1z05jo wrote

Yes, but that's so basic a statement as to have no bearing on the conversation.

In this case the conversation is about how in education you often aren't doing the process with the end-goal of learning the process. You don't write a paper because the end goal is to teach you to write the best papers (aka, teaching a process to learn the process), you're doing it because it develops additional skills like critical thinking and communication (aka, teaching a process to learn a skill). The same way you don't run on a treadmill to get really good at running on treadmills.

In particular it's about which skills you're learning while doing the process.

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Sadalfas t1_j1vn8me wrote

I wasn't suggesting to "teach them a process", but more agreeing with what you had said on focusing on the goal of education.

I'm saying, understanding how to effectively use the modern tools available and having the critical thinking to reach the result you need is one possible evolution of straight essay-writing I see.

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