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Yeah every timeline he sets out comes to pass /s

Definitely not hype.

Now that he has Twitter, I can imagine that South Park episode with Alex Baldwin coming true.

Say what you will about Elon, but once these things are safe and effective, a lot of humans will live much better lives. The question will be the cost and equity.

Still waiting on: Tesla Semi, Cybertruck, Hyperloop, Tesla Phone, Neuralink, Tesla robot.

Delivered: Tesla shot glasses.

A titan of industry. Knows more about manufacturing than anyone else on Earth.

>but once these things are safe and effective

>After the death of 15 of 23 test subjects

Don't hold your breath

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Eh. I'm sure no one aced heart transplants or pacemakers 1st try either. I hate it for the monkeys, but if a bunch of monkeys have to die so some kid born a few years from now can see or some paraplegic can walk again? Sorry monkeys.

Animal testing leads to animal deaths. Now, whether or not the monkeys were treated with cruelty is another issue.

I'm no Musk fan, but people have been hurt or killed for many inventions that are in widespread use today.

The claims are about animal cruelty, don't know why you're shilling here but stop.

I'm not shilling, youre in futurology mate, this is looking at where neuralink can take us. If you're good with animal cruelty with farm animals for the sake of eating a bacon cheeseburger but draw the line at testing if saving/changing medical procedures on monkeys, you're probably a self-righteous hypocrite.

You're not a fan but you're making excuses for him

Ah yeah. A shill.

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Also Tesla Roadster "2020"

well with 15 of 23 dying, and him wanting to move on to special needs humans next, I think we know the cost. This guy needs to be made an example of on a lot of levels.

You don't have to like someone to come to their defense when it makes sense. This tech is probably bound to be developed at some point. Someone's just gotta do it.

Except you deliberately ignored the vital points to make your claim.

FDA won't allow it to be tested on humans until it's proven safe. It's not as simple as moving on to humans whenever Musk wants. This has been a hurdle for this type of tech in the past.

My position on this sort of technology implant has always been: you first.

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Monkeys first. Then you. Then me.

Is that 15 of 23 test subjects dying actually something that's been verified by anyone other than a single small activist group, who's lead by a guy that's been accused of cherry picking data?

The source of those numbers are from an activist group. That's kinda like trusting green peace to tell the truth

If there are other, actually trustworthy, sources who have independently verified those claims, then I'll believe it

I want to believe you so badly... but *points at everything since 2020*

I mean, they're just invalids after all /s

Somehow I doubt you'll accept any evidence that counters your opinion.

Well, you're wrong on that

edit - Actually, you're right. Because my opinion is literally just "I don't really trust some small activist group lead by a guy accused of cherry picking data, so I'd want to see the claim verified by a reputable source before believing it"

You won't ever accept any evidence that contradicts your hard-held beliefs.

That's what I said, yes.

My "hard-held beliefs" in this case being "have a reputable source verify it and I'll believe it"

No, you won't.

Tesla semi delivery event is today.

Fulfilling contractional obligations shouldn't even be an "event". It shouldn't come a year later than promised.

I'd imagine if the trucks aren't delivered today, Musk is going to jail for fraud.

Other electric semi companies have delivered dozens of trucks without issue or fuss; what's holding up Tesla?

So he’s basically google.

Everyone one of your posts I’ve seen here are of the lowest degree. Your not even trying to have a conversion. Get off you Elon hate boner and discuss the future.

Was your mom Mrs Bouche? “Elon Musk is the devil!!!” 😈

I bet that ppl volunteer to be tested on. Ppl love putting metal in their head/faces.

I doubt it’s being tested on humans in 6 months. But I also bet that ppl volunteer to get “the first ones” when that time comes.

If they ever get it right, could really help a lot of ppl.

Oh you're so mad lol

Mad? Lol. What’s to be mad about? I’m just laughing at some of your asinine responses.

This is a sub for discussing the future. I’m sure there is a sub for hating Elon for you to post in and get more positive feedback.

You know, somehow I doubt you'll accept any evidence that counters your opinion

What evidence?

Oh so butthurt.

Damn, that either went way over your head or you're just being purposefully obtuse

Exactly like the company that is producing, the product. They have no reason to lie.

I think it was a limited cell supply if I remember correctly, that is starting to lift somewhat or is not the limiting factor anymore.

What evidence?

So, they took their customer's money and lied to them after they made demands from their suppliers. The didn't update those promises even when the supplier told them "wouldn't be possible".

Seems like robbing from Peter to pay Paul honestly

Oh no, you got stuck in a loop

pretty sure there's more than 23 test subjects for monkeys.

If anyone would be cherypicking a dataset, it'd be picking the 15 survivors of the group of 23 given the holistic survival rate is closer to 2%

That's the best group too; the survival rate is closer to 2% outside this very specific group

The numbers are from corporate public relations teams pushing misinformation regarding the survival rate

This number isn't from the activist group though, it's from the corporate public relations team trying to bump their failed program.

Heaps of dead test subjects, but they cherrypick one group that had an abnormally high survival rate [perhaps the control subjects; installation but no functionality?]

but if they get it wrong...

which they will

You still haven't provided your evidence

Can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs

Neither have you about your claims

I don't understand what you are saying. "after they made demands from their suppliers." this part in particular.

Are you saying Tesla broke some contracts with respect to Semi deliveries or something like that?

Possibly. I don't know much about what Google makes (or promises but doesn't make) outside of a search engine.

Good. For being 3 years late and being beaten to market by other EV semis, it needs to be at least as good as Musk said back at the first reveal - "cheaper than rail" etc.

I don't want Musk to fail. It would be amazing if everything he said was true, but he needs to stop lying all the time.

I’d say Google Glass and Google Stadia are their 2 most well known failures. Or two of the more recent anyway.

But they made the failure that was Google Video, and then just bought YouTube because it was clearly superior to them.

They’ve tried to create a couple of social media sites, with little success.

Nexus Q never actually went to market.

Knol was an attempt to replace Wikipedia.

I think Google Fiber is still going but I feel like they underdelivered. More area should be covered by now. Some of that could be competition and legal battles, not on Google.

Mostly poorly executed, over-priced, or just generally unwanted ideas.

And as far as Elon delivered, you can add Star-Link and the flamethrowers.

I’d never even heard of Tesla phone, but after looking it up, I don’t think that will ever get widely adopted and is mostly a waste of time compared to EVs, internet, neural implants, and Mars.

You'll find several sources on the web. Here's one that exceeds the 15:23 number but references images of dead monkeys while neglecting to mention the ratio of monkeys to subjects. Is it 1:1 or are there 5 images of the same monkeys per every subject? A lawsuit to release the data is ongoing. https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/doctors-group-claims-elon-musk-uc-davis-371-photos-failed-neuralink-brain-chip-implant-experiments-killed-monkeys/article65953874.ece

The problem with articles like the one you linked to is that all it really does is repeat what the activist group have claimed. They're not independently verifying it or breaking any kind of new news.

The article is basically just "here's what an activist group is claiming"

It's a major issue with modern news most of the time. Normally you'll have one source claiming something, and then every news site on the internet will make their own slightly reworded version about what that one source is claiming, without actually do any kind of investigation into the validity of the claims.

Though in the case of these claims made by PCRM, most of the big news sites seem to have opted to not report on the claims. Which to me is a pretty big warning sign about the validity of the people making the claims, especially when it's from some random activist group

I completely agree and have wondered for, perhaps 20ish years, why different media outlets report on the same topic yet have a tendency to produce a completely different narrative. In the U.S., this has helped lead to the perfect division that has been in place since roughly 2007 which makes me wonder what the purpose and benefits are of a corporate run media. If media companies were private and refused funding from politically biased affiliates, we could get unblemished, factual news

Back to topic though, something to consider is this: just because an activist exposed the issue doesn't mean the events didn't occur. Moreover, the fact that a lawsuit is in progress suggests that there's possibly more to the issue than Nuralink/Elon is admitting to. Time will tell.

On the topic - I'm not trying to say that I'm 100% sure that what PCRM are claiming haven't happened. Neuralink have already admitted that some animals have died for instance

However activist groups are rarely the most objective or trustworthy sources of information. And when you have a scenario where PCRM are the only ones claiming to have seen the documents that they're basing their claims on, and the big news publication are actually holding off running their own articles titled "Elon Musk's Neuralink implants killed 15 of 23 animals and caused them to vomit themselves to death" despite the crazy amount of clicks that would get them, then I'm gonna remain skeptical

You have a fair and reasonable conclusion. It's sad that we literally cannot rely on any resource as truth, causing us to vet through umpteen sources in hopes of understanding anything. It's neither a suitable or sustainable path for society.

Reusable rockets and the private space industry, not just starlink

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A Nero link with a radiolink would be a gamechanger! People could control things and communicate on the internet, all with thoughts.

How is your futurology tech company coming along? I'd say he's doing better than most.

It took 2 days, and only one weird nerd leapt to his defence. Musk must be really losing his mojo.

I volunteer in hopes they get it wrong.

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