No_Pop4019 t1_iyjhram wrote on December 1, 2022 at 9:20 PM

Reply to comment by tanrgith in Musk announces human trial of Neuralink chips in six months. by MINE_exchange

You'll find several sources on the web. Here's one that exceeds the 15:23 number but references images of dead monkeys while neglecting to mention the ratio of monkeys to subjects. Is it 1:1 or are there 5 images of the same monkeys per every subject? A lawsuit to release the data is ongoing. https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/doctors-group-claims-elon-musk-uc-davis-371-photos-failed-neuralink-brain-chip-implant-experiments-killed-monkeys/article65953874.ece

tanrgith t1_iyjnf2k wrote on December 1, 2022 at 9:57 PM

The problem with articles like the one you linked to is that all it really does is repeat what the activist group have claimed. They're not independently verifying it or breaking any kind of new news.

The article is basically just "here's what an activist group is claiming"

It's a major issue with modern news most of the time. Normally you'll have one source claiming something, and then every news site on the internet will make their own slightly reworded version about what that one source is claiming, without actually do any kind of investigation into the validity of the claims.

Though in the case of these claims made by PCRM, most of the big news sites seem to have opted to not report on the claims. Which to me is a pretty big warning sign about the validity of the people making the claims, especially when it's from some random activist group

No_Pop4019 t1_iyjpr3w wrote on December 1, 2022 at 10:14 PM

I completely agree and have wondered for, perhaps 20ish years, why different media outlets report on the same topic yet have a tendency to produce a completely different narrative. In the U.S., this has helped lead to the perfect division that has been in place since roughly 2007 which makes me wonder what the purpose and benefits are of a corporate run media. If media companies were private and refused funding from politically biased affiliates, we could get unblemished, factual news

Back to topic though, something to consider is this: just because an activist exposed the issue doesn't mean the events didn't occur. Moreover, the fact that a lawsuit is in progress suggests that there's possibly more to the issue than Nuralink/Elon is admitting to. Time will tell.

tanrgith t1_iyjr3at wrote on December 1, 2022 at 10:23 PM

On the topic - I'm not trying to say that I'm 100% sure that what PCRM are claiming haven't happened. Neuralink have already admitted that some animals have died for instance

However activist groups are rarely the most objective or trustworthy sources of information. And when you have a scenario where PCRM are the only ones claiming to have seen the documents that they're basing their claims on, and the big news publication are actually holding off running their own articles titled "Elon Musk's Neuralink implants killed 15 of 23 animals and caused them to vomit themselves to death" despite the crazy amount of clicks that would get them, then I'm gonna remain skeptical

No_Pop4019 t1_iyk2nq8 wrote on December 1, 2022 at 11:47 PM

You have a fair and reasonable conclusion. It's sad that we literally cannot rely on any resource as truth, causing us to vet through umpteen sources in hopes of understanding anything. It's neither a suitable or sustainable path for society.