DukeBeefpunch t1_ixvbkb1 wrote
Reply to comment by Something_Sexy in Nvidia has created a text-to-3D generative-AI that will allow people to make high-resolution 3D models from just text prompts. by lughnasadh
This is disgusting. AI is supposed to be this amazing thing but all I ever see it used for is to kill culture. As you just gave an example of, this is set to destroy the jobs starting artists need in order to grow. Artbreeder says on it's home page you can "craft" AI art like never before. That's a dangerous statement. It needs to be absolutely clear, if you are utilizing an AI in any artistic endeavor, your not crafting shit.
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Gagarin1961 t1_ixvjbdq wrote
Yes, it’s disgusting.
ozonejl t1_ixvhnr4 wrote
This sounds pretty much like any other old man yells at new technology moment throughout history. “Sampling isn’t real music” yadayadayada. If your visual art is innovative and has a strong point of view, you’re gonna be fine. If you do online commissions of shit like “Pikachu in the style of Gustav Klimt” your career might be in trouble, eventually.
critterfluffy t1_ixvmmy3 wrote
They took Der jobs
DukeBeefpunch t1_ixvztkt wrote
Yea and every artist starts off innovative and strong, and there's plenty of room for more competition. I'd rather sound like an old man than someone who talks out their ass about things they don't understand.
ozonejl t1_ixwaz0e wrote
The thing is, AI is coming whether you like it or not. You can say “this art isn’t real art” because it’s made by AI and I can say “this car isn’t a real car” because it’s made by robots, but at the end of the day if it gets the job done and people can’t tell, it doesn’t matter. There will always be money for people with an artistic eye who can draw/paint. It’s just that you might have to develop another skill or two.
drixevel-dev t1_ixx3mfa wrote
People are gonna lose their minds once the singularity happens, I'll grab the popcorn.
VizDevBoston t1_ixwdnt0 wrote
Oh yeah clearly you’d never comment on something you know very little about.
Kryptosis t1_ixwmtuh wrote
Yeah mourn the lose of all the coal mining jobs and factory assembly jobs while your at it.
If people want handcrafted they can pay for it
Kinexity t1_ixvn4vn wrote
Yes, you are crafting. If you just generate an image and without anything else you say it's art then it's not because there was no artistic intent. But if you choose between images, tweak those generated, change parameters then the AI is just a tool which let's you express a vision you have in your mind. The effective image will be art because you had an artistic intent. Not everyone is manually skilled enough to be able to express their idea by their own hands. I can't draw for shit but I know how to use some simpler image editing software and can run Stable Diffusion so I can make art of my own. I will not claim it's comparable to works of normal artists but it is art nonetheless.
DukeBeefpunch t1_ixw1yyd wrote
Not everyone is manually skilled enough.....That's why you go through the process of learning! That applies to literally everything in life. If you want to express your idea in art than it should drive you to practice enough to do it and not to buy a shortcut to skill.
Kinexity t1_ixw39dh wrote
Tell engineers they should carve metal parts by hand instead of using CNC mills. Not everyone has time or skill to learn how to draw. Your comment is pure neo-luddism.
DukeBeefpunch t1_ixw4uds wrote
Tell me what engineering has to do with culture? That's mathematics. That's business. Business is not culture. We aren't talking about a product that needs efficiency and speed we are talking about art. Using a program to look at pre existing art for you, conceptualize for you, execute for you is essentially plagerism you just don't know who it is you've plagerized en masse so there's no guilt.
Kinexity t1_ixw6uhk wrote
Well, I just want to point out to you that you've just described most of non AI art that is being created today but you wouldn't say that an artist learning from works of other is plagiarizing, would you? AI isn't going to take away the ability to create from human artists - it's just going to give the ability to create to people not as talented. The final goal is to automate everything such that work is no longer neccesary. This will mean that there will be a period where many people will not be able to do the thing they want for profit but after that they'll get to do all that without worrying about being profitable - and that includes artists. Engineering has nothing do with culture just like making money has nothing to with creating art. Making money is bussiness and
>Business is not culture
zachster77 t1_ixw7jem wrote
You’re 100% right. People disagreeing with you don’t understand the creative generative process.
And the reality is that AI will be coming for many jobs that used to be considered creative. If humans had meaningful work lined up to replace those jobs, it’d be one thing. But all we have is low wage commoditized service jobs that can’t yet be automated.
Bleak.
blizardfires t1_ixxfnta wrote
These people all seem to think the gains of AI will be distributed equitably so we can all have better lives. That’s just not how free market capitalism works.
zachster77 t1_ixxg5co wrote
Definitely. Though we don’t really know how it would work in free market capitalism. We’re so caught up in crony capitalism we can’t even see the corruption.
blizardfires t1_iy0e99j wrote
>in crony capitalism we can’t even see the corruption.
True
nardev t1_ixvcj3m wrote
Don’t look at it like that. Try this: one artist will now be able to create game assets for the whole game in a matter of days. You still need to hand pick, curate, etc. Or: an artist will be able to make his own museum on his own with no help from 3D artists or programers. Or a thousands of other ways to look at it. It’s just technology. Art will remain art. AI (computers) just remove the mundane.
makse_djaole t1_ixwp4ax wrote
Thing about making your game in days, or making your own musem using AI is - nobody will care. Why would I or anyone else waste my time playing games somebody else made, or looking at someone else's art, when I can just make my own?
nardev t1_ixycu0e wrote
Well, then by that rationale art is superflous. Which it is not. So your point is somehow lacking. Something is off. This is just another tool. Someone still needs to use and direct it.
makse_djaole t1_ixyhe3m wrote
That's the thing, it's not just another tool, this is something completely new. Yes, you have to use AI and you have to direct it, but it doesn't take much time to learn how to do that, especially when compared how much time it takes to learn how to draw or model or code. And it's just going to get easier.
nardev t1_iy0apv3 wrote
And why is that a bad thing? I just can’t accept the argument that one should stick with old tools of the trade in order to…not sure what really. Even tools without AI have helper functions that curve lines for you automatically and proportionally, etc.
DukeBeefpunch t1_ixw0hmx wrote
Thinking your way, you just eliminated dozens of jobs, and what would you gain? A game comes out faster and shittier? More soulless?
nardev t1_ixw1cnp wrote
why would it be shittier? instead of spending time on mundane design choirs the artist can more quickly iterate over ideas and even finetune them by hand in default design tools. or the designer can always use the old tools of the trade as well from scratch. the people will always appreciate the better outcome, however it is done. and in this case it seems that the artist/designer will have more power and options, not less.
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Tip_Odde t1_ixxtg87 wrote
Facts not feelings fam, get your emotions in check.
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