Submitted by capcaunul t3_z2k3wm in Futurology
Dynamo_Ham t1_ixhwh3l wrote
Reply to comment by pete1901 in On The Rising Non-Working Class (And What Their Despair Says About Us All) by capcaunul
This is too much letting these sedentary men off the hook. Sure, it’s true that it’s hard to motivate to work hard when you know you’re getting exploited and will barely scrape by - so why bother? I get it. But it’s not all someone else’s fault. The author being interviewed in the link is saying it’s more than that - this phenomenon can’t be explained by economics and market forces alone. It transcends job availability and wages. He’s saying that - at least for certain types of men - once a he is out of the workforce for awhile, he won’t come back even when there ARE good opportunities for good jobs. They will check out, and stay checked out - regardless. They will simply choose to mooch off the rest of the world for life. Sorry, America is far from the perfect land of opportunity, but I don’t sympathize with those guys.
sajtu t1_ixi0lhr wrote
It is other people forcing them into a system where they must work to live, which is unnecessary and merely a tool to enforce hierarchy. Nobody should have to work who doesn't want to because we would be able to manage without them while also taking care of everyone. It it just not so at the moment. Peoepl are saying fuck it until then. You don't have to, but don't force your beliefs about what kind of behaviour should be rewarded with the oportunity to keep on living.
Dynamo_Ham t1_ixio0po wrote
If it’s your opinion that people ought not be expected to actually be productive and support themselves - that’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it. It’s not mine. And I’m fine with eating the downvotes on that.
sajtu t1_ixj4ox6 wrote
This isn't about downvotes. You are in favor of a mix of super complicated slavery and religion. You think it is fine for people to suffer and toil pointlessly. You are wrong.
Dynamo_Ham t1_ixjasgr wrote
Bullshit. I believe in reasonable pay for a day’s work, with benefits, and healthcare. I don’t believe people have a “right” to do nothing and get supported by society. Hopefully someday we’ll live in a post-scarcity world and everyone can do what they want. If people want to waste their lives doing nothing then - great. But we don’t live in that world now. Generating wealth requires effort. That wealth should be fairly shared - yes. It’s not today - I agree. I should be. But the people who are able-bodied and decide to do literally nothing useful? Tough shit.
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