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Flash635 t1_iwx6imk wrote

The US needs to concentrate on upgrading the whole electricity grid to power all those EVs that are coming.

Even if the EVs have to be recharged by coal power the net effect is an improvement in pollution levels. But you gotta get those EVs charged.

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SelectAd1942 t1_iwyt2xa wrote

EV’a require the same amount of petro chemicals to produce the car as a combustion engine vehicle. They also have extraordinary pollution from the mining of materials like cobalt and lithium plus the problems of what to do with r in he batteries. Things are not black and white and I don’t see people addressing any of these issues when discussing the idea of moving off of fossil fuels.

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Flash635 t1_iwyuc6v wrote

Why are you telling me this?

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DukeLukeivi t1_iwyzzqb wrote

Because if both cars have similar pollution to produce then the tonnes of CO2 emissions saved over their operational life means literally nothing, reality isn't real, bothsidesarethesame, whyevenbother....

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axecrazyorc t1_iwz10ov wrote

Don’t be obtuse. What they’re arguing is that the additional fossil fuels burned to produce the power to charge the electric vehicle dampens or negates the impact of the electric vehicle. Which is true. Saying burning fossile fuels to power electric cars is green is like saying burning coal in a power plant to heat your home in winter produces less pollution than just burning coal in your home. Switching to all EVs means next to nothing if you don’t also update the power generation infrastructure to match it.

If your takeaway from that is “why bother” or “both sides” then the problem is entirely you.

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DukeLukeivi t1_iwz29zc wrote

That's literally nothing to do with what they said. They said ev bad because they create pollution to make, they literally never mentioned useable lifetime emissions. Quit moving goalposts from an alt account.

This is also a fundamentally stupid thing for you to say, as green energy is rapidly growing in the international production portfolio, and will continue to do so -- we need to be making the transition to green grid and EV in tandem to start reaping benefits on both ends asap

>There's no point in building EVs if there's still carbon in the grid

>> There's no point in going green grid while there's all these carbon cars

>>>There's no point in anything, realityisntreal, whyevenbother.

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wagner56 t1_iwyqw89 wrote

imagine the charging station lack

thats if the battery material production can even be achieved for just 50%

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