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Talldarkn67 t1_iwc9oq2 wrote

Whether it's Chinese, Russian or Indian. All the 5th-gen aircraft look like rip-offs of US designs. Funny how these countries can seem anti-US but spend so much time and money replicating US IP and technology.

I wonder if we'll ever see a time when another country does something new which hasn't been available in the US for decades. Or if we'll continue to live in a world where all countries continue to "follow the leader" by re-hashing something the US did already.

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knowtoomuchtobehappy t1_iwcsfdb wrote

I mean. The US did rip off British steam engines and European tech when it started. What sense does it make to not build on top of existing platforms and reinvent the wheel?

Have you noticed how all High speed rails look like a copy of Shinkansens?

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urumipayattu t1_iwd2vn7 wrote

The word 'copy' is used by these guys in a very very general sense here. And it tells how much they understand the basics of aerodynamics and layouts.

A delta wing for example is used on multiple aircrafts, but the configuration of its layout makes/breaks everything. Now a person who has no idea of aircraft configuration would say.. Hey, you copied delta wing configuration from so and so... In most cases, even a double delta or a modified delta is called 'delta' by these "experts".

The motorcycle is just 2 wheels, a swing arm and a frame along with wheels, suspension etc. Good job telling people that all the motorcycles were copied from each other 😂

Physics... Learn a bit of physics first.

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcwtx7 wrote

I find it funny that whenever copying is brought up, people like you will bring up the fact that the US copied 100 years ago. Before international IP and patent regulations were implemented. Yes, everyone copied from everyone a long time ago. Which is why international IP and patent protections were established to stop that from happening.

Should the world continue to allow theft or should the world continue the progress it's made in stopping theft? I would say the world is better with less theft but if you think stealing should be allowed, that's your opinion. I just hope you don't teach that to your children if you have any...

EDIT: People that downvote a post that is anti-theft are probably thieves. You must all work at one of those online scam centers or steal from tourists just to survive. Either way, you're all pathetic excuses for human beings. I hope you eventually lose more than you steal or end up in prison with the rest of the evil people of the world.

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intentionalfuture t1_iwfwi26 wrote

> People that downvote a post that is anti-theft are probably thieves. You must all work at one of those online scam centers or steal from tourists just to survive. Either way, you're all pathetic excuses for human beings. I hope you eventually lose more than you steal or end up in prison with the rest of the evil people of the world.

That must be the most impassioned defense of patents I've seen in my life. If you do it for free and are not a paid astroturfer you are wasting your talent. Seriously, if you're good at something don't do it for free. Go and get paid, buddy.

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GuiltyConcentrate614 t1_iwdphaf wrote

I don’t know dude! Whenever there’s a picture of Chinese fighter jets j-20, you’ll find that the comment sections are full of Indians mocking it by labelling it a rip off. But when the same rip off is label is applied to Indian jets you Indians can’t bear it lol.

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CodeDoor t1_iweqdtz wrote

NASA ripped plenty off the Nazis after WW2.

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Ma1 t1_iwcbswy wrote

If you think American defence companies exclusively use American innovations and technologies you’re wrong.

American companies are just first to design and build weapons because your government writes blank cheques for tools of death while the rest of us are paying for universal healthcare, paid medical leave, and affordable education.

edit: typo

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Flaky_Bee_2599 t1_iwdg3gi wrote

Don't you think it's hypocritical to complain about US defense spending then expect the US to use said big military to support you when the bad guys come knocking at your door?

You're Canadian. You don't have to spend on defense because the implicit threat of the US.

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Ma1 t1_iwenqij wrote

You spend more on defence than the next 10 countries combined. You could reduce your military budget by 75%, give your citizens a better life, and still kick the shit out of any country that started trouble.

And honestly, when was the last time you had to defend against a large scale threat? All your military has done lately is destabilize the Mid East based on a bunch of lies cooked up by the Bush administration. Sure Hussein was a shithead, but he wasn’t a nuclear threat. Oh and you got your ass kicked by a bunch of cave dwelling theocrats in Afghanistan. Money well spent.

You wanna fight a real threat to the world? Put your military up against climate change. Oh wait they’re too busy killing whoever happens to live atop the oil your politicians are entitled to.

Gimme a fucking break with this military circle jerk nonsense.

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Flaky_Bee_2599 t1_iwft5pa wrote

LMAO you didn't even answer my question.

Your country's foreign policy relies on a strong US military. So does Australia, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, and all of western Europe. You and almost all of the western European countries underspend on your military to an extent where you're completely reliant on the US if you get into a war.

Where do you get off sitting on your high horse criticizing US military spending when a large part of the reason your spending is so low is because ours is so high?

Also if you think the US could reduce military spending by 75 percent without Russia and China making significant moves you're fucking delusional.

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Ma1 t1_iwgn30x wrote

It’s amazing how deeply you are propagandized.

China doesn’t need to make moves with their military. Your country is in their pocket. They say jump you say how high. Anything else is just empty posturing. And Russia hasn’t been a real threat since the Cold War. They’re can’t even easily win a conflict against Ukraine. They’d be no match for 1/10th of your military.

You under estimate your allies, overestimate your enemies, and GREATLY over value the need for America to police the world. China literally just slapped your wrist about Taiwan.

Every country you listed sees you as a fucking joke. Not our great saviour. You are the one who is delusional. And it’s costing you and your fellow Americans a better life. Go back to school you fucking simpleton.

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Flaky_Bee_2599 t1_iwgy7pf wrote

You know the worst type of idiots are the ones who think they're smarter than everyone else. I'm sorry your degree didn't help out in that regard.

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Ma1 t1_iwch97b wrote

Medical insurance is not universal healthcare. But if you want to give a bigger chunk of your big, fat income that you're fragile enough to brag about to State Farm, you have at it, champ.

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vwlukefairhaven t1_iwcpn6i wrote

If capitalism was truly used health insurance should be cheaper. Right now the US pays much higher portions of their incomes for health insurance than any other G7 nation. It also has the worst health of the G7 as well. The taxes used for the other nations for health care are much lower than the insurance payments made by the US. So we pay the most and get the worst right now.

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arkwald t1_iwda3dp wrote

It pays a portion sure, but it is far less than it used to be. When you consider the evolution of the system for the past 50 years, the writing is on the wall. Profit driven Healthcare as we know in the US will end. It is simply inefficient at doing the job it is supposed to be doing, much as how planned economies always fail for performing much the same way. Question is how.

If it is going to follow out approach to decarbonization, it will be maintained at ever increasing cost until finally someone finds a better way or reality crushes it all like a tin can at depth. People will wonder, point fingers, and blame some outside source. In truth, it's all because we as Americans are lazy proud ass holes who seem to enjoy being repeatedly anally raped by guys in suits because anything less is socialism that is somehow and intrinsically un-American. Americans are inept idiots with barely enough competent people around them to hold it all together.

It's hilarious how people used to hold up the ideal of the industrialist hero who made a fortune making the world work. In reality, the true force was all those lower than dirt people toiling away their lives. They are the ones who made America. All the names you hear, they are all filthy thieves. Should be a wall of shame. No, America celebrates the con artists who do shit but receive all the benefit. Fucking joke.

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vivtorwluke t1_iwec5qs wrote

When a system that works gets put in place it usually sticks. Social Security was deemed to be Socialist and in a way it is but no one wants to get rid of it who wants to live. Same will go for healthcare when it finally goes one payer.

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thatnormalperson t1_iwcgx6p wrote

I think they mean for everyone, not just those with "bigger pay checks"

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rustle_branch t1_iwd6i64 wrote

Well, jerund has what they need. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. This is america, after all

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwchgas wrote

That was my point too. America does everything first and then everyone else follows along. Which is strange since the same countries claim to be anti-America but spend their time and money copying the US.

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Ma1 t1_iwchoaa wrote

>America does everything first and then everyone else follows along.

Unless we're talking about supporting its own crumbling infrastructure and struggling population.

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcj7nl wrote

Again, in regards to infrastructure the US was one of the first countries in the world to build things like subway, highways, internet etc. they built it all so long ago that now a lot of it needs to be repaired. That doesn’t mean they don’t have infrastructure in place.

Of course some countries are only now building these types of infrastructure(over 100 years after the US did) so they look new while the ones in the US look older because they are.

That doesn’t stop people from countries like India and China immigrating to the U.S. in massive numbers.

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urumipayattu t1_iwd3tlb wrote

Ahem.. Autobahn... Ahem...

But yeah America great!! Exprezzways were the first roads in human history..

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235_and_five t1_iwo115i wrote

He said "one of", and let's not act like Germany's highway infrastructure was their priority around the 1930s and 40s

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwcm669 wrote

The company making this studies 7 different 5gen aircraft design and found out this was the best

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcnzti wrote

How could they study 7 different 5 gen designs? There aren't 7 total 5gen designs currently active in the entire world.

The US has the most with the B-2, F-22 and F-35. Russia has one but has not started producing them in large numbers. China has the J-20 which isn't really a 5gen and the J-31 which is also not a 5gen jet.

So which 7 5gen were studied? Since there aren't 7 5gen jets in the whole world? Also, why copy when you can make your own design? It is possible to design 5gen craft without copying. The US does it....

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwco7rt wrote

They develop few designs by themselves (u can look at their older designs , they were mix of different designs)

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcox4l wrote

The ones I see look like the F-22 and F-35. Similar to what the Chinese did to make the J-31. Which is also a copy of the F-35 but with horrible engines.

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwcp6ui wrote

It's call converged evolution , it's also found in nature.

When given same set problems people tend to arrive at similar solution.

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcr66r wrote

Unless you're the US and come up with a solution that is not copied from elsewhere. That everyone else then copies because of "converged evolution"....

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwcrgp1 wrote

The first concept of stealth was developed by Soviet and US stole it.

Just because us came up with h it first dosent mean it's everyone else copied from them.

All commercial airlines look the same but with a few changed but it doesn't mean that everyone else copied from the first commercial plane.

Same goes with why most f-1 crs look th same

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcvhqz wrote

First stealth aircraft was the F-117 in 1981. The first Russian stealth jet flew in 2010. If it was really a Russian idea, why did it take them almost 30 years after the US to make one?

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwcwlt5 wrote

The first concept of stealth was developed by Soviet scientist Pyotr Ufimtsev. USA stole his work to to develop f-117.

Horten Ho 229 flying wing fighter-bomber, developed in Nazi Germany during the last years of World War II proved to have some stealth characteristics due to its lack of vertical surfaces (key characteristic of all stealth aircraft plus inherent feature of all flying wing aircraft like the Ho 229). Testing performed in 2008 by the Northrop-Grumman Corporation established that the aircraft's shape would have rendered the Ho 229 virtually invisible to the top-end HF-band, 20–30 MHz primary signals of Britain's Chain Home early warning radar, provided the aircraft was traveling at high speed (approximately 550 mph (890 km/h)) at extremely low altitude – 50–100 feet (15–30 m). Despite that, the Ho 229 was never intended to be a stealth aircraft.

Also by definition this would be first stealth aircraft and not American f-117

And the soviets start making experimental stealth jets in 1980s but couldn't continue a lot due to bad economy at that time and later their economy soon collapsed

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Talldarkn67 t1_iwcycsp wrote

Again, the US made the first stealth aircraft. No one made a stealth aircraft before the US. That's not my opinion. It's a fact. Deal with it.

Pyotr Ufimtsev wrote papers on the concept of stealth that were translated to English in the 60s and helped the US develop the first stealth aircraft. He never built one himself.

The Nazi plane had stealth characteristics but was not stealth. Also, only one was ever made and it crashed. It had so many problems the nazis decided not to build them. It didn't work.

Which again confirms what I said earlier. The US produced the first stealth aircraft in world history and everyone else has been copying the US ever since. Facts. Deal with it hater lol

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ExtraMail4962 t1_iwczn2w wrote

>Again, the US made the first stealth aircraft. No one made a stealth aircraft before the US. That's not my opinion. It's a fact. Deal with it.

Brits made the first train so are all trains made after it copy?

Nazi made the first jet engine so are all jet engine made after it a copy of it?

>Pyotr Ufimtsev wrote papers on the concept of stealth that were translated to English in the 60s and helped the US develop the first stealth aircraft. He never built one himself.

Still dosent change the fact that us stole his work to develop stealth which would have been possible without his papers

>. The US produced the first stealth aircraft in world history and everyone else has been copying the US ever since. Facts. Deal with it hater lol

Lol u are dumb and pointing out false facts dosent make u h hater. Just because us did it first dosent mean everyone copied it.

What's next every car in the world is copy of German cars as they made it first?

Nazi made the first space rocket so do all space rocket made afterwards are copy of it? (In case of usa it might be)

India made the world's first missile so does that mean all missile made afterwards are copy of it?

Just because u made something from stolen research first dosent mean everyone copied it from u. But i dought u will able understand it

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