Surur t1_iw2zbzw wrote
Reply to comment by BrokeVic in Rooftop Solar Is Becoming More Accessible to People with Lower Incomes, But Not Fast Enough - Inside Climate News by darth_nadoma
Firstly, you don't need a battery to use solar, and the CO2 payback for solar panels is less than 2-3 years, and constantly falling as the grid in China becomes more renewable. They also last 25 years+, meaning they save 23 years of carbon emissions.
In addition, batteries only add a few years to the equation, and then you do have power when there is no sun.
Are you ill-informed or paid to spread nonsense on the internet?
BrokeVic t1_iw314q5 wrote
Yes you do need a battery. Because when there's no sun where will you get power? The solar panels charge up a battery unit. The battery unit is then connected to your fuse box. And then everything in your house runs off the battery powered by the solar panels.
Surur t1_iw31iwn wrote
I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and just imagine you suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Firstly, you can use the power when its available in the day, such as to run your aircon, washing machine, fridge and ev charger.
Secondly the excess you can sell to the grid, and use normal grid electricity in the evening like everyone else.
Most solar installations do not have batteries.
BrokeVic t1_iw32pgh wrote
There's no reason to be rude about a conversation. And I don't need the benefit of the doubt from anybody. And you do not run off the grid at night. The problem is the solar panels do not produce enough power fast enough for the amount a normal size family household needs. So it charges the batteries firstly then it uses both battery power and solar power for larger size families. Depending on the size of the house and the amount of panels you own. You may have enough to run your entire house without a battery. But I guarantee you you still have a battery. You don't have to believe me. All I'm saying is I worked with solar for years and I'm telling you what I know is truth. And the gimmick of once the units paid off you can sell your power back to the electric company is idiotic. Because then you have to take care of your regular maintenance on your equipment. That's where that money will go trust me there is lots of maintenance that people do not see. And that's how they sell the units. Trust it or don't trust it I'm just putting it out there so people can do their homework and find out for themselves how solar panels and wind turbines really do work. Again I'm not going to reduce myself to calling people names or saying they have some kind of disease. But I do appreciate your benefit of the doubt.
Surur t1_iw339qu wrote
> But I guarantee you you still have a battery.
> Not every solar power system has a solar battery attached. In fact, only about 4% of residential solar installations had a battery backup.
Enough said. I will not address anything else, since you did not provide any sources.
BrokeVic t1_iw36527 wrote
Why don't you guys or women watch a certain documentary called"Planet Of The Humans" Directed by Jeff Gibbs. Then give me your opinion on alternative renewable energy sources like solar panels and wind turbines. It's actually a really good documentary too you might even enjoy it.
grundar t1_iw68p2t wrote
> Why don't you guys or women watch a certain documentary called"Planet Of The Humans"
Probably because it's full of bad information:
> "In their new YouTube documentary “Planet of the Humans,” director Jeff Gibbs and producer Michael Moore argue for splitting the two sides. Their misleading, outdated, and scientifically sophomoric dismissal of renewable energy is perhaps the most dangerous form of climate denial, eroding support for renewable energy as a critical climate solution."
The article goes into substantial and specific detail, but suffice it to say that the documentary you keep citing is not a good source of information about this topic, and I would strongly recommend you check what it's told you against other sources. If you're up for reading somewhat detailed articles, Carbon Brief is generally a reliable source which cites its sources well.
If you're not up for reading detailed information about the topic that's fine, but recognize that your knowledge of the topic will necessarily be rather limited, and -- if it's mostly from a widely-criticized movie -- will often be outright wrong.
Surur t1_iw5vg8o wrote
Obviously, I am not going to waste my time (1h39m), so a short written precis may be more appropriate.
BrokeVic t1_iw31a7t wrote
When the sun goes down The power you have left in the battery is what runs your house. Once that drains you have no power. Then you run off the grid. I have installed solar panel farms for years. They all have battery systems.
ShopObjective t1_iw3tpb4 wrote
Surur t1_iw3xi7w wrote
If you were to actually google China, "renewable"
> According to the NEA report, China's installed renewable generation capacity totaled 1,063 GW in 2021, accounting for 44.8% of the nation's total generation capacity. There is typically a difference in installed capacity and actual power generation due to the intermittency of renewables.
BrokeVic t1_iw31ium wrote
I don't disagree on the carbon emissions. But like I said it is not renewable energy. You have to mine stuff from the Earth to build them and the batteries to use them. That is a fact and when your power is out and your battery is dead you do run off the grid that's a fact. But I'm not saying that because I'm against them I'm just saying they need a better way to do it
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