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Cerberusz t1_ivdnwp7 wrote

Reply to comment by vVWARLOCKVv in Dutch pilot project for hydrogen heated homes allowed to begin by alex20_202020

Three things:

  1. Europe has a systemic risk for energy dependence right now. They cannot bet their futures/economies on Russia. However, they don’t have many other options. Europe is not a particularly windy nor sunny place, so it’s not a very good place for renewables.

  2. The Netherlands in particular is losing a huge natural gas field. The extraction of the gas has been causing sinking of homes and small earthquakes, so they need to shut this down.

  3. Hydrogen generation through electrolysis is now cheaper than natural gas.

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CriticalUnit t1_ivf2cua wrote

> Europe is not a particularly windy nor sunny place, so it’s not a very good place for renewables.

"Europe" is actually a fantastic place for wind energy. Solar is mixed, because 'europe' is a large area. Southern Europe has quite good Solar potential.

Overall Europe is a pretty good place for renewables.

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lxer t1_ive9n3v wrote

Lolno. Hydrogen is created using natural gas. And it is losing 60% of its energy in the process. That is why oil companies like Shell are involved, it increases their demand (and it is subsidized)

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Cerberusz t1_iveb2a1 wrote

Cespa and Rotterdam have signed a memorandum of understanding to create a renewable hydrogen corridor between Spain and the Netherlands.

This hydrogen is produced by electrolysis using renewable energy such as wind or solar.

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lxer t1_ivecoog wrote

Only a stupid person would believe that.

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Cerberusz t1_ivecyhq wrote

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/12/green-hydrogen-project-aims-to-decarbonize-europes-industrial-north.html

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HardCounter t1_ivekhj8 wrote

Just from the title i can see some key words you seem to be glossing over:

>project
>aims to

As in not currently the case.

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Cerberusz t1_ivelf26 wrote

Oh you got me! Clever you and your title reading skills.

I did not gloss over that at all. They are planning this project and gasp, there’s also a pilot project to see how the home hear off of it.

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ten-million t1_ivegcnq wrote

weirdly against renewable hydrogen...

checks comment history.....

oddly in favor of Russian gas....

Troll!

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HardCounter t1_ivekvsa wrote

I just checked his comment history. Where are you seeing that? He only mentions gas once outside of this post and it was two months ago.

Pretty easy to see who the troll here is mr. misinformation. Do you just make up comment histories of people you disagree with to discredit their opinion? Pretty bad faith man.

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Gnollish t1_ivec4k9 wrote

In the current testing phase, before mass roll out, yes, hydrogen is made with natural gas. Obviously every party involved realises this isn't a long term solution, it isn't intended as such, and nobody is pretending it is.

Once we know what we're doing with hydrogen, it will be created with excess wind power from the north sea.

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lxer t1_ived0oj wrote

No once the subsidies end the project simply stops, like almost all hydrogen projects.
It is too much wishful thinking by activists and naieve politicians who give taxmoney to companies.

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