ajabardar1 t1_iy9fz8g wrote on November 29, 2022 at 7:12 PM

Reply to comment by dookiehat in How will the space economy alter society? by Gari_305

i mean, come on. you think before there was less authoritarianism? are you trolling?

dookiehat t1_iyat4zr wrote on November 30, 2022 at 12:43 AM

I’m not, you should read capitalist realism by Mark Fisher. Honestly i feel like I’m a serf in one of the most opulent periods in history. Social progress and technological progress are not the same thing and when technological progress happens that doesn’t mean social progress happens.

ajabardar1 t1_iyau97b wrote on November 30, 2022 at 12:51 AM

yeah being a serf is such a recent possibility.

Uvtha- t1_iycb501 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 9:41 AM

The fact that there are still classes and injustice doesn't mean that there's been no social progress made, there quite obviously has been. You live a far more secure, socially free, and politically relevant position than any 17th century peasant, and to say otherwise is pretty silly.

dookiehat t1_iycgpuw wrote on November 30, 2022 at 11:02 AM

HA HA HA HA, you have no clue what you are talking about dude. I’m about an inch from homelessness. You can’t apply an objective measure to subjective sentiment or individuals and say things are objectively better so therefore my feeling is invalid. Your conception of what objectively better means is purposefully ignoring subjectivity, which i claim has worsened in quality of life in the past few decades. People feel worse about life therefore it IS worse.

There is something toxic about the world right now that i feel like everyone can feel the underlying tension but they pretend things are dormant or that nothing can go wrong. Tell me in twenty years the world is better and that it hasn’t been the most chaotic disorienting upheaval of social order you’ve ever seen.

Uvtha- t1_iyd24lz wrote on November 30, 2022 at 2:34 PM

I mean, yes, you can apply objective measurements to peoples subjective experiences, that's the whole reason we make an effort to gather empirical data rather than just relying one how we feel. Obviously people can have a flawed perspective, and also some people will be on the bottom end of the bell curve in any situation. Neither of which are invalid positions when in regard to individual... but when you are trying to express the general state of the world it's not useful to try and frame it through the lenses of one persons subjective experience, you know?

It sucks to hear about your situation, mine's not very good either. That said I know that my life isn't the only or even anything near the most average example of life in the modern age in general.

I in no way think that either the world is dormant or that nothing can go wrong, quite the contrary. The world is full of injustice and inequality, and there are very real looming existential crises... That said, just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not an improvement on the past. Most of human history was really really horrible especially for people in the lower classes.