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dookiehat t1_iy9eb70 wrote

Reply to comment by ajabardar1 in How will the space economy alter society? by Gari_305

That is why we make less money than our parents did, because the world is objectively better. Also why authoritarianism is on the rise around the world, and why homelessness has been rising since 2008 in western economies. Elon Musk has plans to make starlink spell out “eat poop, earth” so we can always see how quirky he is. Also you’ll never own anything because we are in post scarcity so why would you need to own anything that a corporation can’t own and manage for you, it is so much easier that way!! Yes, the boomers are extending their lifespans and you have to live in one of our podrooms in one of our leisure campuses, where you can use new technologies all day long and forget being lonely, you’ll have lots of neighbors! Like the good ol days in college when you saw people irl. you don’t have to worry about those big person jobs that are scary with all sorts of responsibility because your parents can do them for another 60 years now while they add a wing to their suburban boomer palace that you visit with less frequency as they always vote against the leisure class, that’s us, but one day you think maybe they’ll come around. The future is objectively better, that’s a fact

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ajabardar1 t1_iy9fz8g wrote

i mean, come on. you think before there was less authoritarianism? are you trolling?

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dookiehat t1_iyat4zr wrote

I’m not, you should read capitalist realism by Mark Fisher. Honestly i feel like I’m a serf in one of the most opulent periods in history. Social progress and technological progress are not the same thing and when technological progress happens that doesn’t mean social progress happens.

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ajabardar1 t1_iyau97b wrote

yeah being a serf is such a recent possibility.

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Uvtha- t1_iycb501 wrote

The fact that there are still classes and injustice doesn't mean that there's been no social progress made, there quite obviously has been. You live a far more secure, socially free, and politically relevant position than any 17th century peasant, and to say otherwise is pretty silly.

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dookiehat t1_iycgpuw wrote

HA HA HA HA, you have no clue what you are talking about dude. I’m about an inch from homelessness. You can’t apply an objective measure to subjective sentiment or individuals and say things are objectively better so therefore my feeling is invalid. Your conception of what objectively better means is purposefully ignoring subjectivity, which i claim has worsened in quality of life in the past few decades. People feel worse about life therefore it IS worse.

There is something toxic about the world right now that i feel like everyone can feel the underlying tension but they pretend things are dormant or that nothing can go wrong. Tell me in twenty years the world is better and that it hasn’t been the most chaotic disorienting upheaval of social order you’ve ever seen.

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Uvtha- t1_iyd24lz wrote

I mean, yes, you can apply objective measurements to peoples subjective experiences, that's the whole reason we make an effort to gather empirical data rather than just relying one how we feel. Obviously people can have a flawed perspective, and also some people will be on the bottom end of the bell curve in any situation. Neither of which are invalid positions when in regard to individual... but when you are trying to express the general state of the world it's not useful to try and frame it through the lenses of one persons subjective experience, you know?

It sucks to hear about your situation, mine's not very good either. That said I know that my life isn't the only or even anything near the most average example of life in the modern age in general.

I in no way think that either the world is dormant or that nothing can go wrong, quite the contrary. The world is full of injustice and inequality, and there are very real looming existential crises... That said, just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not an improvement on the past. Most of human history was really really horrible especially for people in the lower classes.

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