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slutgenius t1_iunr27s wrote

Reply to comment by Man-from-Hjelmdall in New RSV vaccines are on track to make this one of the last bad cold seasons by Man-from-Hjelmdall

I agree this will be a game changer for intelligent people.

I think you are forgetting the Anti-vax crowd.

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genraq t1_iuo5k15 wrote

I don’t know about forgetting. That’s a problem that’ll correct itself.

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Holygoldencowbatman t1_iupospp wrote

it will for the very virulent viruses, however... Remember what doesn't kill you mutates and tries again. Anti-vaxers are basically petri dishes waiting to unleash their mutated BS into all populations, vaccinated or not.

The fix of course is public education, but when there are mechanisms at play causing fear of vaccines, im afraid immunologists have their work cut out for them.

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sirpoopingpooper t1_iupy4iq wrote

In reality, the immunocompromised are the real petri dishes for mutations, vaccination or not! https://www.science.org/content/article/uk-variant-puts-spotlight-immunocompromised-patients-role-covid-19-pandemic

Even with near-perfect vaccine coverage, mutations happen and in fast-mutating viruses, they will quickly figure out how to spread despite vaccination (see: flu and covid, for example). Vaccinations (at least in their current forms - future versions promise better protection!) are effective in softening the blow of fast mutating viruses and can significantly reduce the spread and lethality (see covid and flu vaccinations for example), but anti-vaxxers aren't going to affect whether or not the virus will mutate (hint: it will). They'll just help it spread more if they don't die first...

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modestLife1 t1_iuptqcr wrote

:<

what if u have autoimmune reactions to vaccines that give you guillain-barre syndrome

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shallah t1_iuvleed wrote

it's a problem that takes out the rest of us when we have health challenges but the hospitals are already full of the unvaccinated most of whom would be at home if they had been vaccinated, the healthcare workers are exhaused so by two weeks into a surge studies show all cause mortaility climbs and our sick or injured carcasses are hauled hundreds of miles away to other hospitals slightly less overwhelmed - and hopefully didn't croak on the way.

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Clemenx00 t1_iuq5m31 wrote

Not even anti vax... Almost nobody that isn't at risk takes the flu shot just out of laziness and a "not needed" image t has.

Labeling everyone as dumb or purposely evil is a mistake.

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slutgenius t1_iurlhm6 wrote

>Almost nobody that isn't at risk takes the flu shot just out of laziness and a "not needed" image t has.

What is this word salad?

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huskies_62 t1_iuq7war wrote

>I think you are forgetting the Anti-vax crowd.

Its easier if you just stop caring about them.

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atsimas t1_iuqmmtn wrote

You forget that modern traveling transfers anything far more frequent than before. Some people that even though they may have the knowledge, they don't have the means, exist. See something like developing countries. They may not have had whatever before, but they sure do now. So channel your anger appropriately.

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CommunicationOk8674 t1_iupogvm wrote

Yeah well unfortunately UV light, ivermecton, and healing crystals may not save their kids... so thoughts and prayers

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Guiver5000 t1_iuntcdi wrote

I think as time goes on the true “anti-vax” crowd will be smaller than you think. The Covid vax was rushed, standard practices for trails and testing where bypassed, Pfizer doing shit like trying to block the release of data for 100 years didn’t help the trust situation.

There will always be nuts and anti vaxers. But I think allot of the people currently lumped into that category will swing back the other way for well studied and tested medicine.

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yada_yadad_sex t1_iuo365f wrote

Trials were just as rigorous as any. It was 18 months before covid vaccines came out. Speed of vaccine rollout was fast due to emergency situation, but to suggest the science was sidestepped is complete nonsense. And you're just repeating the antivax conspiracy talking points. Efficacy of the vaccines has shown to be what the science established. Not only that but they were only slightly less effective against new variants, and updated vaccines could be rolled out quickly.

This should be celebrated, not diminished to some crackpot level of antivax fodder. Covid trials saw some of the most open, collaborative, publicised, and independently reproduced science in human history. And the work on mRNA has expedited towards very promising stuff like cancer treatment.

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Digital_loop t1_iuox8nl wrote

I've explained it to people like this.

If you have 100 really smart people working on 100 different things and it takes 1 year for all 100 things to get developed... Imagine how quickly everything could be done if all 100 people focused on just 1 thing!

Thats what happened with the covid vaccines. We took the world's smarted people away from all of the other projects and set them to a singular problem to solve. Of course we developed a vaccine in less than a year!

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Mountain_Fig_9253 t1_iupdj1u wrote

Exactly and then we removed all financial risk from the companies which let them move right into manufacturing after they designed the formulation.

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CommunicationOk8674 t1_iupp3qh wrote

I did not look at US evidence because it was so politicized, but Israel. Ok, here is a really educated country that is surrounded by countries that want them exterminated. Are they going to give their people a vaccine to make themselves weaker? Uh no.Very aggressive in vaccinations.

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Eladriol t1_iuoq5vy wrote

It was about 10 months surely

Edit: downvote all you want, they were approved for emergancy use Dec 2020 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-key-action-fight-against-covid-19-issuing-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

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playdohfunfactory t1_iuprd8i wrote

No. Decades.

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Eladriol t1_iuqes53 wrote

No, 11 months (assuming you take the start of the pandemic as roughly mid feb)

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-key-action-fight-against-covid-19-issuing-emergency-use-authorization-first-covid-19

That the delivery platform had been under research for decades doesn't mean that every vaccine using that platform is safe and effective. The specific vaccines delivered were evaluated individually and approved for emergancy use in the same year that covid 19 was first identified.

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playdohfunfactory t1_iuqq66r wrote

Yea, double down on the stupid. That'll show 'em.

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Eladriol t1_iuqqlho wrote

Where am I incorrect?

The virus was first reviewed internationally c. Jan-feb 2020,

vaccines from multiple delivery paths (not just mnra) were individually tested in 2020

Based on those individual trials, some vaccines were approved starting from around December 2020

Therefore the vaccines were developed and trialled in c. 10-11 months

I think your argument is that because some underlying technologies, like mrna which supports 2 of the vaccines used, were developed before the pandemic the trial period was decades. I think that's as stupid as saying a car developed in 2022 was tested for over a century because of the model T.

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playdohfunfactory t1_iur137m wrote

Let's save us both some time.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.

If you want to be a member of the secret cool guy's club that knows the "real truth" about covid and vaccines and flat earth and TrUmP AcTuAlLy WoN tHe ElEcTiOn, etc...then uh, fine I guess?

But please run along and do that somewhere else. The adults are having a conversation in here.

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Eladriol t1_iur1qag wrote

I am in fact vaccinated, though not sure why thats relevant to whether weve tested for decades a vaccine against a virus first identified in 2020. I'm also not american so I don't know why trump comes into it, other than he obviously has had a massive impact on your mental health.

Anyway I see you've veered of into random noise and screeching rather than try to defend your claim the covid vaccine was In development for longer than the virus has existed. So I agree, let's not waste any time - continue screaming into the void.

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Mountain_Fig_9253 t1_iupdd68 wrote

The speed at which the vaccines were developed was entirely due to taxpayers socializing the financial risk of development. Normal vaccine and medication development takes time because companies have to be cautious prior to paying out the money for large stage III trials. They do smaller studies to make sure it’s worth the financial risk and that usually takes years to get enough people enrolled, do the study, read it out, then get corporate approval to move from stage 0 to stage I then stage II and finally stage III.

For the COVID vaccines the companies had already sold their vaccines to the federal government so they were free to start manufacturing even before the final studies were complete. If they failed the studies taxpayers would have been out a few billion dollars but in exchange we knocked YEARS off of development. In addition so many people actually wanted to be a part of the study they were able to enroll enormous sample sizes extremely quickly. That level of engagement from the public is unheard of in the research world and it allowed a rapid evaluation of the efficacy.

Everyone wants to decry socialism but when it comes to public health socialism beats capitalism any day of the week. Now that the federal funding has dried up be ready for future updates to the vaccine to be much slower and for future monoclonal antibodies to basically disappear.

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Fl0r1da-Woman t1_iuo2w8d wrote

I'm triple vaxxed and I agree.

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slutgenius t1_iupacct wrote

You have GOT to be lovin the 5G and the magnetism. I haven't lost a set of keys since. [s]

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slutgenius t1_iunudx7 wrote

Point well delivered. I hope so.

...but then again; you would think being anti-vax kinda self-corrects.

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[deleted] t1_iunuvlg wrote

Aslong as conservatives exist there will always be people who believe in Russian and Chinese propaganda, and anti-vaxx, climate change denialism, jewish globalism, etc.

Theres an reason why so many conservatives love Putin, with all that propaganda and those troll farms on social media.

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Guiver5000 t1_iunwct1 wrote

“Our enemies are never as evil as we imagine, and perhaps we are never quite as good”. Your comment paints the world in black and white and it’s not. There are plenty of good and reasonable people on both sides of the political spectrum and to pretend otherwise is ignorant, hateful and divisive.

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[deleted] t1_iunwtio wrote

I am simply basing it on my own point of view, please fill me in, have you seen anyone believing in this type of stuff that hasnt been conservative?

I am neither left or right as I find both sides equally incompetent, the only difference I see between them is that the left is the only one that is democratic

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Ragnar_Dragonfyre t1_iuo1cho wrote

Before Covid, anti-vax were often left wing hippies who believed in new age nonsense.

Those people didn’t go away.

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yada_yadad_sex t1_iuo476s wrote

Nonsense. Antivax brigade were suburban middle class housewives doing their research on Facebook.

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AndAlsoWithU t1_iupixcw wrote

Wait, I thought that what with all the fact checking, FB research was just as good as the real thing...

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[deleted] t1_iuo2s2c wrote

Maybe because they are communist, who happen to be anti-establishment and on the furthest fringes of the left.

And still, their reason for not liking vaccines is not the same as those on the right.

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Guiver5000 t1_iunyf67 wrote

Well my cousin actually… he is an extreme left nutter butter. But to be fair… he is a nutter butter. The problem with huge issues like this is as follows

  1. someone that is anti vax is likely to be a conservative. But that doesn’t mean all conservatives are anti vax

  2. however the opposite is also true, for example someone deeply passionate about environmental issues are likely to be a liberal. But I know conservatives that are also passionate about the environment

These are stereo types, and to be fair stereo types exist for a reason. However they also tend to be on the far ends and with our world more polarized than ever it’s the extremes that get all the attention.

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[deleted] t1_iunypwa wrote

I am specifically talking about anti-vaxx and climate change denial type of stuff, the left's equivelant are climate change and equality radicals

Yes not everyone on the left or right is this and that, but those on the right are more often to be conspiracy theory nuts.

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Superb_Efficiency_74 t1_iuo0n9b wrote

Most anti-vax people I know are naturalist hippies that would most accurately be described as communist, particularly of the Trotsky variant. They almost universally vote (D), although they don't really like (D) candidates because they're too conservative.

Just my anecdote, n=1.

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[deleted] t1_iuo2rut wrote

Maybe because they are communist, who happen to be anti-establishment and on the furthest fringes of the left.

And still, their reason for not liking vaccines is not the same as those on the right.

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supified t1_iuoosge wrote

A lot of anti-vaxxers also say they're not anti vax and then come up with a reason why the specific anti vax instance makes sense. Thing is it is a moving goal post. I'm not sure your sincerity on the matter and I'm not here to argue it, but I have to say most of my anti-vax acquaintances (not friends, forget that) start with or out right say stuff very similar to what you just posted. I'm really not meaning to sound critical of you, just pointing out my experience and how it looks/sounds.

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cornerblockakl t1_iupqv5u wrote

You stupid cocksucker. Do you think you’ll win them over by calling them stupid. Lol. (Do you really think they are all stupid?)

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slutgenius t1_iuprz75 wrote

Most def not here to win hearts.

Sorry if you are feeling attacked.

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20thcenturyboy_ t1_iuq16xl wrote

Over 6 million deaths during this pandemic has certainly not improved my opinion of the antivax crowd. Their feelings is way down there on my priority list.

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