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LAhomosexuelle t1_iu2rgms wrote

Reply to comment by saberline152 in The Heavy Price of Longtermism | Longtermists focus on ensuring humanity’s existence into the far future. But not without sacrifices in the present. by thenewrepublic

How would forcing veganism not be a net benefit? In general, people would be much healthier and we'd be using much less water, which will become more scarce as temperatures rise.

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wernermuende t1_iu32r49 wrote

Veganism is about animal rights. Animal protein is ok if we don't like destroy the amazon for burgers. The scale and methods used to raise animals is the problem. Lab meat will be a thing.

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Southern-Trip-1102 t1_iu3boht wrote

Then its about just forcing whatever maximizes health and minimizes environmental issues and cost.

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saberline152 t1_iu3buud wrote

because you take away choice. That is the same as making world peace by enslaving everyone. There would be tons of people who would just become depressed af.

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Ghoullum t1_iu3ftm5 wrote

I hate not being able to throw my trash directly out the window. They are enforcing on me absurd laws!

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saberline152 t1_iu4b9yk wrote

That is a moronic take with food you are taking away sovereignty over people's own bodies. That is also why it is hard to ban cigarretes and alcohol. In those cases the substances that are banned are such a net loss for the person and society as a whole that it was banned. Meat however even with all the energy and water it costs is not on the same level of harmful as those other substances.

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LAhomosexuelle t1_iu56j8k wrote

The ridiculous part is that by allowing people to eat meat, you are taking away the sovereignty of animals over their own bodies (the ones killed to make that meat).

They deserve to have rights too. There's a reason that animal abuse laws are a thing. The absurd thing is that it only applies to some species of animals and not others, especially when some of them are smarter than domestic animals.

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Ghoullum t1_iu860ge wrote

But, are you quantifying the net loss of society due to climate change?

Don't think of 1 person, think what happens if the entire planet consumes an all meat diet... we will increase the indirect damage of climate change many times. So I agree with you, we should make laws to reduce the net loss of humanity as a hole.

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