Poochydawg t1_irzayjx wrote on October 12, 2022 at 3:47 AM

Reply to comment by Surur in China’s Electric Trucks May Well Pull Forward Peak Oil Demand by PeteWenzel

Are they also getting out of manufacturing goods like plastic toys, electronics, furnishings, building materials etc etc. all requires some form of petroleum by product….

lemans356 t1_irzbsgq wrote on October 12, 2022 at 3:55 AM

Even the manufacturing carbon footprint can be reduced substantially . By implementing more modern methods.

Surur t1_irzonbc wrote on October 12, 2022 at 6:19 AM

If you think about it, unless those things get burnt they are actually a form of carbon sequestration.

tacofiller t1_is02bgo wrote on October 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM

Not if you consider the carbon was already sequestered in natural crude oil deposits. Once you take that into account you have to consider the energy required to explore, drill, transport the oil, the energy required to refine it, convert it to plastics, ship the plastics, manufacture the toys, ship the toys to distribution centres, then ship to retail and/or dtc.

Also think of creating and maintaining the infrastructure around all the shipping and manufacturing, the manufacture of shipping vehicles, the mining and energy that went into all of that... and the layers/“generations” of manufacturing and raw material shipping and extraction that went into all that.

Surur t1_is06cog wrote on October 12, 2022 at 10:33 AM

When we fully electrify (and move to renewables) then the carbon cost of mining and manufacturing would not matter.

Then oil would be just another raw mineral.

tacofiller t1_is9uc44 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 10:52 AM

True, at that point in the distant future (10+ years to get to that point?) extracting oil or anything else should be CO2 neutral. Natural gas would always be an externality though, as it escapes during extraction and processing.

Scope_Dog t1_is1sg8m wrote on October 12, 2022 at 5:59 PM

Hmm, does making plastic and other things out of petroleum put C02 into the air or is it just when it is burned?

Poochydawg t1_is2my6o wrote on October 12, 2022 at 9:14 PM

You need to stop refining oil to start with if you want to make a difference. Not just look at things like cars because you see them on the street every day.