Submitted by Defiant_Swann t3_xywsfd in Futurology
SeaworthinessFirm653 t1_irq7a9n wrote
Reply to comment by code_turtle in We'll build AI to use AI to create AI. by Defiant_Swann
Yes, I made my comment with the presumption that we are talking about AGI, not just a smart calculator bot making a slightly faster calculator bot. We have created some multi-modal AI that can accomplish different tasks, but the model itself is computationally inefficient and predictive rather than true learning (just like GPT-3 doesn't actually think logically, it's just a really advanced language prediction model).
As far as I am concerned, the difference between consciousness and AI is that an AI is an advanced look-up table using only simple logic while consciousness involves processing stored information for semantic meaning rather than adhering to an algorithmic process for syntactic meaning. See: Chinese translation room thought experiment.
AI today uses low-level logic en masse to produce high-level (relatively) thinking. With the addition of increasingly advanced neural networks, image-generation AI has utilized increasingly complex network structures, such as defining edges, shapes, complex shapes, and fuzziness around these levels. If we extend this notion to account for an AI that is capable of taking simple features such as moving shapes and we allow the AI to predict the shapes' locations, we may be able to reapply this scalable logic until the AI is able to understand complex ideas given sufficient inputs and sufficient training data. This is far-fetched from a modern technological standpoint, but not unbelievably far-fetched given how quickly we are advancing our AI.
If the human brain is made up of computations, then an elaborate series of computations is by definition what must define our consciousness, and thus it can be created with sufficient AI models. Switching to amplitude computers for computational efficiency or compressed memory models (current memory cell models scale linearly with space instead of logarithmically) may allow us to break through this barrier.
edit: sorry for the ramble
code_turtle t1_irtxyag wrote
I mean that’s HIGHLY optimistic but more power to you, I guess. The “increasingly complex structures” you’re talking about are just fancy linear algebra problems; the idea that those structures will approach “consciousness” anytime soon is a pretty big leap. Imo, we need to first break MAJOR ground in the field of neuroscience before we can even consider simulating consciousness; I think it’s unrealistic to expect something as complex as the human brain to just “appear” out of even the most advanced neural network.
SeaworthinessFirm653 t1_iru86y6 wrote
Yes, I agree with that. I recall the analogy of taking the brain's neurons and connections, magnifying it in size to cover an entire block in a large city, and the immense density of connections would still be too large to make any meaningful observations even given our current technology.
I don't believe any optimism is required, though, to claim that we can be simulated. Unless we exist outside of the realm of physical things, that much is given. It's impossible to make good predictions about the future where the sample size is n = 0.
code_turtle t1_iruceka wrote
I’m not trying to claim it’s not possible; just saying that with our current techniques/methods, I believe it’s highly unlikely. But I could be proven wrong.
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