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Thorainger t1_irapqtt wrote

Reply to comment by shanoshamanizum in Moneyless economy simulator by shanoshamanizum

I've not yet found a system better than capitalism to automate boring jobs. Why hasn't that already been done? Why is there no trucker bot? Why is there no janitor bot? Why is there no server bot? Why is there no fruit-picker bot? Why is there no fast food employee bot? Do business owners enjoy employing people for jobs that they hate or is there no other better solution currently?

Also, are you saying there will be no restaurants, no theme parks, no movie theaters? Will every book be self-published?

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shanoshamanizum OP t1_iraqwds wrote

I can only guess just like you. Remember this is a game/simulation not a political battle arena :)

>I've not yet found a system better than capitalism to automate boring jobs. Why hasn't that already been done? Why is there no trucker bot? Why is there no janitor bot? Why is there no server bot? Why is there no fruit-picker bot? Why is there no fast food employee bot? Do business owners enjoy employing people for jobs that they hate or is there no other better solution currently?

My guess is that first bots are more expensive than people still. Secondly what do you do when a critical mass is not needed? Quite a philosophical topic.

>Also, are you saying there will be no restaurants, no theme parks, no movie theaters? Will every book be self-published?

I am not Nostradamus all I am proposing is a simulation of an alternative economy which is super easy to be tried and tested right now. I am sure in the future people will laugh at how we used to do things only for paper and digits.

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Thorainger t1_irb943t wrote

It's interesting how it becomes a game when I bring up specific instances that would falsify your idea, while you gave the other guy a link to anarchist ideas. Why not tell him it's just a game?

Once they exist, they'll be cheaper than humans. After all, they never ask for raises, get tired, want benefits, need time off, make mistakes, get distracted, commit fraud, have children, etc. There are already socialist countries around the world. Why haven't they automated away all the menial jobs?

They'll only laugh if they don't understand what it means to be in an economy with scarcity. We don't get to a post-scarcity economy by eradicating money and preventing people from doing what they want to do. That's called totalitarianism. Also, most people don't only do things for paper and digits.

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shanoshamanizum OP t1_irba3j9 wrote

>It's interesting how it becomes a game when I bring up specific instances that would falsify your idea, while you gave the other guy a link to anarchist ideas. Why not tell him it's just a game?

It's in the description. He is not offensive and pretending it's a war.

>Once they exist, they'll be cheaper than humans. After all, they never ask for raises, get tired, want benefits, need time off, make mistakes, get distracted, commit fraud, have children, etc. There are already socialist countries around the world. Why haven't they automated away all the menial jobs?

They already exist. What's socialism to do with it?

>They'll only laugh if they don't understand what it means to be in an economy with scarcity. We don't get to a post-scarcity economy by eradicating money and preventing people from doing what they want to do. That's called totalitarianism. Also, most people don't only do things for paper and digits.

Is NFT and crypto an actual scarcity or it's an artificial one?

Where did you see totalitarianism in a completely voluntary non-hierarchical simulation?

Last time I checked rent is paid with paper and digits. The monopoly game for kids.

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Thorainger t1_irbkbf8 wrote

He basically asked the same thing I did. In the same way that I did. But I'm pretending it's a war. Okay.

They already exist? Sweet. How much are they? Give me a link.

I'm seeing totalitarianism in implementing a cash-less system where nobody does anything for profit before we get rid of the problem of scarcity.

If it's all voluntary, there's no way that everyone will agree to this. The only way something like this can even begin to work is if it's implemented on everyone. That's not completely voluntary.

Also, "Everyone is connected anonymously to prevent forming of alliances and cartels." People like making alliances. Good things come out of alliances. Preventing people from engaging in them is a form of totalitarianism.

Your problem was linking the anarchist literature; kind of giving away the game there if you want to fall back to, "Bruh, it's just a game."

Last time I checked, not everyone pays rent, and that's not the only thing people do with their time. "how we used to do things only for paper and digits."

Get some better arguments and stop being dishonest.

PS: I'm serious about the bots that already exist that can do as good a job as all the menial jobs that exist. Put up or shut up.

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shanoshamanizum OP t1_irbl0ff wrote

Now he got mad. Sorry pal, not playing your war games.

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Thorainger t1_irc0tsy wrote

Fair enough. I wouldn't want to have to post links to things that don't exist, either. Have a good day, sir.

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OlinKirkland t1_irvhsl5 wrote

You explicitly explain why you think capitalism leads to feudalism in the section of your repo that announces why "Money is Bad". You can't handwave every job that sucks by saying that automation will take care of it. I mean, you can, but it's like saying "all the problems capitalism solves can be solved by magic. Let's just harry potter this shit"

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