philipp2310 t1_ir1xm14 wrote on October 4, 2022 at 7:05 PM

Reply to comment by Seidans in Solar power world record broken with ‘miracle material’ by NickDanger3di

Ok, maybe it is lost in translation and interim energy would have been better. Great for you, the first time your "you don't understand" argument, you start every post with was right. And you finally got the intellectual high ground you want to put yourself on. And yet you failed to EXPLAIN what the error was and explained interim and not intermittent. Good job. Not.

The fact that you say "you tell them to produce the amount of power you need an that's it" shows me, you don't understand how nuclear reactors work, neither did you address the wasted money for idle nuclear reactors. Just because something is possible, it still might not be profitable.

And you keep telling nuclear would pay for itself - well, look back at the graph. Solar pays twice for itself in the same time and that while only running half a day. Good job, go to your boss and tell him you need only half your salary from now on, you will still make profit from your work! Just because something is profitable in the long run, it might not be the most profitable solution.

No Danger? You say active fighting in europe's biggest nuclear reactor isn't a matter of danger? A fight in a random forest would be just the same? Chernobyl costed about $700 billion in damages - not including Russian troops digging trenches in the radioactive soil as that study is from 2016.

Yes, the panic was oversold in most cases. No, you shouldn't do nothing. Otherwise seat belts above 100 miles an hour could be abandoned as well. Won't make a big difference anyways? Chernobyl exposed 10 million people to radiation, reaching as far as south Germany, where you still are not supposed to eat wild mushrooms in some regions. Lucky for you, that you are in a region that wasn't affected. Fukushima was lucky with its wind directions for example.

And "it don't exist anymore with our modern reactor" - you ever heard of that unsinkable ship named Titanic? Yeah, couldn't sink, because it was modern. ...

And to bring another topic into the game: France has 1.700.000 cubic meters of nuclear waste. How much of this is in its final storage place? Afaik Bure is not yet active. Did you factor into your calculation of profitability the decade long search for a final storage solution? Did you factor in the cost to transport that 1.700.000 cubic meters radioactive waste? Just because it was not funded by the company that is building that reactor, it still has to be payed by the people using the energy. Be it in taxes or fees.

If it was so profitable, you wouldn't need that massive lobbying you can observe in France. Why the need for state control in EDF? Why the need for 2.1bn€ subsidies for EDF? Why are you arguing for something and bashing solar in a solar based threat when nuclear was so superior and self selling?

Seidans t1_ir23ta6 wrote on October 4, 2022 at 7:43 PM

nuclear waste cost are already included in the electricity cost of any european country, the most iradiated waste part isn't even the size of a football field and that's for more than 50year of exploitation, yes bure isn't ready yet as "pro-environment" made the project take more time it would (bure wasn't the first choice)

you can't compare chernobyl and our current reactor as they are completly different, chernobyl could and have exploded, it's impossible now, physicaly impossible, using the titanic or driving at 100 km/h without belt as an argument won't change that fact

yes solar are profitable now, less when you include energy storage but still, they are profitable especially with an energy crisis,but it wasn't my concern, i said that relying on a energy source that use an absurd amont of material per kw/h was a mistake when your country don't own any mine that produce those material especially when the entire world will enter a scarcity era and country that export those material will no longer export them for their benefit

the same way europe need to develop the electric vehicle and public transport as we don't have a single drop of oil, and so we need to multiply our electricity generation by 2 at least, relying on gas and coal was a mistake, everyone see that with ukrain/russia war, now what will happen if china and taiwan start a war? china have the majority lf all rare earth metal in the world including lithium, i don't mind using renewable now that's profitable but it should only be temporary and nuclear should be favored as it provide far more independance in that regard

EDF is state owned and nuclear as a whole depend of a state as nuclear isn't capitalistic unlike other source of electricity including renewable, it's easy to build a couple of solar and wind farm as it's far cheaper and faster, it's morz difficult to invest in a project that require 10billion and take 10years, will facebook still exist in 10years? amazon? who know, France existed for thousand of years and will continue long after my death, that's why nuclear is state owned, and i don't even talk about national security, you can build bomb with them, nuclear bomb, dirty bomb even poison

i guess we will stop here as it become silly

philipp2310 t1_ir29g7p wrote on October 4, 2022 at 8:17 PM

>nuclear waste cost are already included in the electricity cost of any european country

that's why you land at double the cost for nuclear - invalidating all your arguments against solar.

>chernobyl could and have exploded, it's impossible now

Until it isn't impossible - unsinkable, unexplodeable.. same story.

And then you argue FOR electric cars as "society will collapse and we can't have oil anymore". Cars will for ever need energy storage. Light weight. As if there are the resources for that in Europe. Like the rare earth you mentioned from china we need for solar?

In what world is building cars with batteries more resource independent than building solar panels?

>we don't have a single drop of oil

Don't we? I'm pretty sure there are about 26 oil rigs around the north sea.

>i don't even talk about national security, you can build bomb with them, nuclear bomb, dirty bomb even poison

You don't say. Almost as if having nuclear near population could be used by terrorists or terrorist states?

And one last time I'll cite the reason why EDF is state owned for you:

>The government hopes nationalising the debt-laden company will help secure energy supplies in the country after the war in Ukraine left countries hunting for new sources of power to replace Russian imports.

And then you talk about panic and media with nuclear - but your "the oil society will crumble" view is completely sane and not panic driven? Almost as if there was some lobby behind that view as well.