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MartinVanBurnin t1_iqtl2d6 wrote

Yeah, the whole NIMBY thing is a problem and it pisses me off that there are a lot of self-described progressives that hypocritically oppose these projects in their own areas.

I actually live in a mostly rural area that also has a lot of windfarms. That doesn't give me any special insights as I don't work in either industry, but I have observed them both.

> -The turbine themselves plus the access roads and support infrastructure take up space and reduce the amount of farmland available to be farmed. > > -The turbines, access roads and support infrastructure create obstructions in the fields making it more difficult to farm that field.

There are already access roads all around the farmland because semi-trucks are used to haul the produce from the fields. And while the windmills are huge, their footprint is actually pretty small as it's just a giant post at the ground. Maybe around a fifth of an acre each so they don't actually take up very much of the land. They're usually placed on the edges so they don't even create much obstruction.

> -They limit some farming practices (aerial application) and others

True, but crop dusting is expensive so it's really only used on the truly massive farms (around here, at least). The couple of dusters I know make very good livings.

> -The installation of the turbines creates soil compaction and can damage tile, drainage ditches, etc.

It would be minor relative to the day-to-day operations on the farm (semis, massive tractors, etc).

> -The money stream may not go to the farmer and may not be as steady as everyone thinks.

The actual amount of space leased is tiny so, yeah, not really super lucrative, but as you said, it's almost free money for them.

> -To reiterate, not everyone enjoys the aesthetics of wind turbines in their backyard

Rural areas like mine tend to be highly conservative and other than some initial whining about the "stupid environmentalist shit" no one cares anymore. If they'd just force a few on the NIMBYs, they wouldn't either.

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grimtrigger86 t1_iqtyn5m wrote

I drove through Illinois not too long ago and saw the wind turbines along the highway there. It was a lot of farmland so I can't imagine anyone purchased the land recently for a "view" and got stuck with the wind turbines but I personally wouldn't care to see them everyday. I just know from personal experience that there are progressive areas/people content with volunteering someone else (aka rural/poor/blue collar/conservative) to take on the burden of whatever great idea they have. A personal example of that; my county has a number of psychiatrists on "staff" (they still have private practices) for like 250k (tax dollars) annually a pop to provide "mental health" services to people who cant afford it and may need it based on arbitrary criteria (basically noone who needs to use it can take advantage of it). The county executive and elected officials all reside in a very "well to do" area and made it a point to relocate the homeless into lower income areas of the county and provide these shelters and services there. It just strikes me as them looking down their noses at the "poors" as they provide "services" out of the kindness of their hearts. The reality is, many of the services we would really want nearby are all located in their community, the not so great ones are pushed out to the other not as affluent neighborhoods. And they could be full of shit, but I'm constantly being hassled by homeless outside of convenience stores asking for money so they can stay at one of the shelters nearby. Shit, our county executives salary is 350k. A flippin civil servant. Anyway, I digress. I'm basically just bitching about my community now. And no, I'm not in California lol

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