speedywilfork t1_jdy1kdc wrote on March 28, 2023 at 12:47 AM

Reply to comment by Surur in Microsoft Suggests OpenAI and GPT-4 are early signs of AGI. by Malachiian

>What makes you think a modern AI can not solve this problem?

because you gave it distinct textual clues to determine an answer. Pumpkin patch. table. sign. it didnt determine anything on its own. you did all of the thinking for it. this is the point i am making. it can't do anything on its own.

if i say to a human "lets go to the pumpkin patch". we all get in the car. drive to the location, see that man in the field, drive to the man in the field, that is taking tickets, not the man directing traffic. and we park. all i have to verbalize is "lets go to the pumpkin patch"

An AI on the other hand i have to tell it "lets go to the pumpkin patch" then when we get there i have to say "drive to the man sitting at the table, not the man directing traffic, when you get there stop next to the man, not in front or behind the man" then you pay, now you say "now drive over to the man directing traffic, follow his gestures he will show you where to park" (assuming it can follow gestures).

All the AI did was follow commands, it didnt "think" at all, because it can't. do you realize how annoying this would become after a while? an average human would be better and could perform more work.

Surur t1_jdy3nm7 wrote on March 28, 2023 at 1:03 AM

Gpt4 is multimodal. In the very near future you will be able to feed it a video feed and it won't need any text descriptions.

Anyway, if you don't think the current version is smart enough, just wait for next year.

speedywilfork t1_je067dv wrote on March 28, 2023 at 1:53 PM

you don't understand, in my example it HAS a video feed. how do you think it see the guy in the field? i am presenting a forward looking scenario. i have been developing AI for 20 years. i am not speculating here. i am telling you what is factual. it isn't coming next year, it isn't coming at all. there is no way to program for things like "initiative" and that is what is required to take AI to the next level. everything is a command to AI, it has no initiative. it drives to the field and stops, because to it, the task is complete. it got us to the pumpkin patch. task complete. now what? you have to feed it the next task, that's what. it won't do it on it's own

Surur t1_je074un wrote on March 28, 2023 at 2:00 PM

> everything is a command to AI, it has no initiative. it drives to the field and stops, because to it, the task is complete.

Sure, but a fully conscious and intelligent human taxi driver would do the same.

AIs are perfectly capable of making multi-step plans, and of course when they come to the end of the plan they should go dormant. We don't want AIs driving around with no one in command.

speedywilfork t1_je09cgt wrote on March 28, 2023 at 2:15 PM

>Sure, but a fully conscious and intelligent human taxi driver would do the same.

but not me driving myself, and that is the point. my point is we won't have level 5 autonomy in anything outside of designated routes and possibly taxis. there are things that an AI will never be able to do, and a human can do them infinitely better. so my AI might drive me to the pumpkin patch, them i will take over.

>We don't want AIs driving around with no one in command

this is exactly why they will be stuck at the point they are right now and won't take over tons of jobs like everyone is claiming. they are HELPERS, nothing more. they can't reason, they can't think, they can't discern, they don't have initiative. people will soon realize initiative is the trait of a human that they are really looking for. not performing simple tasks that have to be babysat on a constant basis.