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Doofzig t1_jbjwpkz wrote

Considering US companies sell only trucks, vans, SUVs and sports cars, it’s not surprising. I don’t want an SUV. I love the old full size sedans. I got 25mpg in my old Town Car.

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gjallerhorn t1_jbk18hs wrote

My midsized suv gets 28 mpg on average

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Awesomebox5000 t1_jbk998m wrote

For reference, my commuter ebike gets 1887 MPGe (not a typo).

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WhiteRaven42 t1_jbkhd9d wrote

What kind of climate do you live in?

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AmateurAviator t1_jbm0pw9 wrote

I have a 2019 Terrain and it averages 31-32 overall. They’ve come a long way

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thunder_struck85 t1_jbmpb28 wrote

I get 40mpg in my sedan and it's becoming impossible to drive it at night. Every single vehicle out there is like a foot taller and blasting me right in the eyes even with their bloody low beams.

It's really quite annoying, compared to driving my truck.

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Tech_Philosophy t1_jbkzd50 wrote

> I got 25mpg in my old Town Car.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to think of this, but a non-plugin gas-only camry hybrid gets 52 mpg. Again, you only fill it with gas.

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ValyushaSarafan t1_jbmn849 wrote

There's no phev camry

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Gandalf2000 t1_jbo144r wrote

They said non-plug in

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ValyushaSarafan t1_jbo97o0 wrote

Exactly, why specify if it doesn't exist

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Tech_Philosophy t1_jbod7on wrote

Oh, I specified because 52 mpg is just really good compared to most cars, and if someone has never looked at a regular hybrid before, they may see that number and assume there is some kind of plug in nature to it. I just want to convince people they can get a gas-only powered car AND get outstanding mileage if they just look at a hybrid.

Less wear and tear on the vehicle too, those hybrids tend to last longer than their gas counterparts because the engine/brakes are not always used when driving, as the battery and regenerative brakes pick up some of the slack. Cool stuff if you aren't ready for a fully electric car.

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ValyushaSarafan t1_jbods8h wrote

Ah I see, that makes sense. I personally drive a PHEV so that number would seem low for a PHEV sedan.

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Fausterion18 t1_jbkgeye wrote

Then buy one from a Japanese or German brand?

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Doofzig t1_jbksrut wrote

They don’t make 6 passenger, 4 body trunk sedans anymore

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Fausterion18 t1_jbkt6d9 wrote

Since when was the Lincoln town car a 7 seater?

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juwisan t1_jbnrva4 wrote

I mean, compared to European sedans of the time it was an enormous car. More like driving a living room around, basically. I don’t see any trouble fitting 7 people into that thing. Might not be road legal though.

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Doofzig t1_jboatuq wrote

Sorry. Six seats. Driver included. Though I have had 8 in mine before.

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Fausterion18 t1_jbokotf wrote

The only reason that's not a thing anymore is due to passenger safety.

They still make large sedans with ample interior space.

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GinOkc t1_jboknn7 wrote

Oh I miss those 4 body trunk cars.

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PhoneQuomo t1_jbkhmuz wrote

The truck arms race is on, everyone is getting bigger and bigger vehicles to feel safe around the monster trucks and tank suvs...its going to get worse and worse.

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SuckmyBlunt545 t1_jbm72wf wrote

It’s just luxury goods honestly. There’s a reason famous ppl always driving big cars, now everybody can feel like they’re more important than the rest. Fuck

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filosoful OP t1_jbjvycz wrote

The continued global rise in sales of SUVs pushed their climate-heating emissions to almost 1 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2022, according to the International Energy Agency.

The 330 million sport utility vehicles on the roads produced emissions equivalent to the combined national emissions of the UK and Germany last year. If SUVs were a country, they would rank as the sixth most polluting in the world.

Climate campaigners are increasingly concerned about the impact of SUVs. The vehicles are larger and heavier than regular cars and use on average 20% more fuel. The increased number of SUVs in 2022 were responsible for a third of the increase in global oil demand.

Purchases of SUVs have soared in recent years, rising from 20% of new cars in 2012 to 46% of all cars last year, the IEA reports. The rise continued in 2022, includes significant growth in the US, India and Europe, despite the overall number of cars sold falling slightly.

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Avalanche2 t1_jbkjcoo wrote

And what is even more interesting is private jet usage also released about a billion tons of CO2 in to the atmosphere. Yes, all the politicians and hollywood celebrities telling us poor folks to save gas, go green, and eat bugs, are polluting more than any of us. They need us to conserve so they dont have to. FACTS

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ChargersPalkia t1_jbks45j wrote

aviation only accounts for 2% of global emissions, a stat in which private jets make up a small fraction of that 2%. So no, its not "FACTS" to try and push off responsibility by just blaming politicians and hollywood celebrities.

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fix-all-the-things t1_jblooci wrote

Stop being an idiot. Many of those politicians and celebrities can't fly on regular planes like the rest of us. There would be too many people causing problems with them. There's no other options available to them.

You're also doing exactly what the oil companies want you to do. BP invented the personal carbon footprint after spending a lot of money researching ways to get people to stop being angry at them. The result is a way for you to look at your own carbon footprint as well as other individuals. This made it easy for you to find other targets that aren't oil companies for you to get your anger out on. You fell for it all too and now get your outrage fix whining about SUV's and personal jets which is very cathartic, then have nothing left for the actual polluters.

Oil companies invented plastic recycling too for the same reason. They knew public anger was growing against them so they hatched a very successful plan to divert that. They basically paid other countries to take our plastic and do whatever they wanted with it. We fell for that pretty hard as well and even had some politicians write laws forcing people to participate in the scam.

If you actually want to help make things better, leave individuals out of it. SUV's are not a problem. Personal jets are not a problem. By spending energy on those targets you're giving the actual polluters a huge break and making it easy for them to do nothing.

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Illustrious2786 t1_jbk7pjr wrote

Bicycling, ebikes, mopeds, dirt bikes, motorcycles, etc.

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WhiteRaven42 t1_jbkhhe2 wrote

What climate do you love in?

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Illustrious2786 t1_jbkj960 wrote

What climate does the Dutch live in?

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WhiteRaven42 t1_jbkku09 wrote

That would be mild temperate. And also very flat.

Leave aside places like Chicago or where I live, Denver (both hilly and ice prone), the populous Northeast would be pretty much torture 4 to 5 months out of the year.

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Mallardduckquick t1_jblc607 wrote

Rain rain rain and fucking wind. But we are not made from sugar so don't be a cry baby and get on the fucking bike even when it's raining, snowing, storming, or high windspeeds. You will be fine

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WhiteRaven42 t1_jblrt24 wrote

No.

You weren't serious, were you? Life is too fucking short to waste time and spend it miserable. FFS. What a terrible suggestion.

You might as well tell me it builds character.

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RideRunClimb t1_jbm4azi wrote

Well, it does. I'm not going to tell you to get on a bike, because I think commuting on a bike is a stupid risk to take. But subjecting yourself to suffering does "build character" i.e. it makes you both physically and mentally more resilient to stress.

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WhiteRaven42 t1_jbmpa5r wrote

Never once has anyone unironically used the phrase "it builds character" for anything other than privation or bullying. I said it as a joke because it is always a joke.

The concept is only used to excuse cruelty. Life contains challenges and we learn from them yes. We certainly don't need to create challenges and foist them on people.

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theluckyfrog t1_jbmxmvj wrote

>>We certainly don't need to create challenges and force them on people

Ironically, that is exactly what climate change is doing to millions (billions?) of people.

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RideRunClimb t1_jbmyx8q wrote

I've literally never heard it in that context. So whatever man lol go be miserable and run from opportunities to grow yourself in the name of comfort.

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[deleted] t1_jbmgcf3 wrote

I actually really like this statement. People have gotten very soft.

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DoctorBlock t1_jbouxv1 wrote

The softest people in the world are always the ones talking about how soft people are.

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theluckyfrog t1_jbmxgdy wrote

I mean, I work at a city hospital and I see at least 20 employees come in by bike every day, even in the ice, snow, rain, etc. Since they do it voluntarily, I doubt they feel they're suffering.

Me, I walk to work. In all of the above weather. I just wear layers. No appreciable suffering.

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Tech_Philosophy t1_jboe3p3 wrote

> Life is too fucking short to waste time and spend it miserable.

Not OP, but suffering comes from within. The folks in Minneapolis seem to have no issues biking during the winter. Damn cheerful people.

I think there are other ways to help the climate besides biking in the snow, but the objection here is even more trivial than the initial suggestion was.

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Halonos t1_jbm1vuv wrote

because riding an e bike or any type of bike is laughable when you live where you can freeze to death being outside for ten minutes

edit: guys i’m just saying biking isn’t practical for everyone* I agree SUVs are retarded. I saw a lone woman get out of a brand new Denali the other day at the grocery store and the thing was practically a school bus.

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wubberer t1_jbnnd9z wrote

Because you americans are all a bunch of wusses who cant even be bothered to duck a little when getting into a car, let alone travel further than a few meters from your home without one.... I use my bike 365 days a year, from -20 to 30+°C and its perfectly fine.

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Halonos t1_jbom3sx wrote

Canadians* actually. thats cool though i’m glad everything is within biking distance of your home and they actually plow your roads

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iShakeMyHeadAtYou t1_jbmn6hn wrote

I give you Finland. If cities in NA actually bothered to do any kind of proper bike infrastructure (and actually maintain it) biking in the winter would be very possible, and could even be enjoyable. And I say that coming from one of the harshest winter climates in North America.

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MadMuffins t1_jbnacc6 wrote

They make these crazy things nowadays called clothes. You can put them on your body, and it actually traps in the heat that you produces to keep you warm. I know it's hard to believe, but people all over the world go outside for longer than ten minutes, and they don't die.

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Halonos t1_jbor56m wrote

Things get a little different when its -30, -40.

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Hugmaestro t1_jbnz2hu wrote

I bike in -25*C for more than 10 km per day... when the road is plowed it is not difficult at all. People are just weak

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Enorats t1_jbnabiy wrote

Because it's a tremendously stupid recommendation, at least for people living in the US.

I'm practically a best case scenario person when it comes to this sort of thing, living a mere 5 miles or so from work, and even I couldn't trade my vehicle in for an ebike.

For most of the year temperatures here are either in excess of 90 to 100 degrees, or well below freezing. Even if you're comfortable with a lengthy ride in the heat, around half the year is simply too cold to ride something like that comfortably.. and about a third of the year is too cold to ride safely.

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Sellazard t1_jbo2u4p wrote

The problem is not individual choice of transport, but rather lack of infrastructure and willingness to pay and vote for politicians that will provide said infrastructure. I don't want to pay for miles and miles of concrete wasteland near malls. I want mixed zoning laws for developers so I can get my bread in the same building I live in and all the other necessary stuff nearby.

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wubberer t1_jbnnj1p wrote

Mimimi I cant survive without air-conditioning...

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Bot_Marvin t1_jbnulqo wrote

Yeah precisely. I’m not choosing to bike in the cold when I already own a car.

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Impressive-Ad6400 t1_jbnrmbd wrote

Old people, people with disabilities, people with small kids, people with special needs, etc.

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DoctorBlock t1_jbounkv wrote

Oh wow another article shifting climate change blame away from corporations. What a surprise.

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FuturologyBot t1_jbk0psx wrote

The following submission statement was provided by /u/filosoful:

The continued global rise in sales of SUVs pushed their climate-heating emissions to almost 1 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2022, according to the International Energy Agency.

The 330 million sport utility vehicles on the roads produced emissions equivalent to the combined national emissions of the UK and Germany last year. If SUVs were a country, they would rank as the sixth most polluting in the world.

Climate campaigners are increasingly concerned about the impact of SUVs. The vehicles are larger and heavier than regular cars and use on average 20% more fuel. The increased number of SUVs in 2022 were responsible for a third of the increase in global oil demand.

Purchases of SUVs have soared in recent years, rising from 20% of new cars in 2012 to 46% of all cars last year, the IEA reports. The rise continued in 2022, includes significant growth in the US, India and Europe, despite the overall number of cars sold falling slightly.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11mvvym/suvs_emitted_more_carbon_dioxide_last_year_than/jbjvycz/

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jerry_357 t1_jbou9b5 wrote

My Hemi powerd SUV gives me 14 mpg. 🤣 wouldn’t trade it for anything! FTW!

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Advanced-Bake4099 t1_jbmg8oa wrote

And the volcano that erupted emitted more than all of humanity.

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[deleted] t1_jbklxl5 wrote

Correct me if I’m wrong, Sandy, but aren’t SUVs located in countries?

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