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Maurauderr t1_jbjqjqb wrote

Reply to comment by KilgoreTroutsAnus in What countries/regions currently have *good* projected futures? by Murein

Look at the political and social problems in the US. Trans people are being outlawed in different states, there is a huge wealth gap, a lot more police brutality than in Manny other countries, US democracy doesn't really serve the people anymore and there is a large growth in far right movements.

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khamelean t1_jbjv0um wrote

It’s very much a two step forward one step back situation. Yes, there has been some recent regression in the tolerance of trans people, but it’s still significantly more tolerant than 40 years ago. This is pretty much par for the coarse when pushing society forward. When you make a change that 90% of the population agree with, the other 10% is going to kick up a fuss.

There will always be ups and downs, but the overall trend line is undeniably positive.

I’m not sure a good argument can be made that the US is any more politically unstable than it was 50 years ago. People do tend to have short memories for the turmoil of days gone by.

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MammothTankDriver t1_jbkmuc2 wrote

Trans people being outlawed is nothing. 0.0002 of the population is nothing. 20-30 years sgo, it was taboo to be gay.

A country turning a bit conservative is not the end of the country.

The USA is a republic. I dont think they ever listened to the people. The people, especially in the US, are very dumb and uneducated.

Fsr right movements have always been a thing. I remember hoe things were in 2008 and before.

I heard about stormfront much earlier. The things are getting worse bullshit in the west prpves that democracy is a waste of time.

Its better to treat people like dumb sheep like china does and steamroll via police brute force.

The chinese arent pessimistic about the future at all. Turns out banning doomer posting works.

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KilgoreTroutsAnus t1_jbl0pvy wrote

Trans people are not outlawed. Discriminated against, not outlawed, and less than ever.

Police abuse was far worse 30 and 40 years ago, before cameras were everywhere to record it.

Far right movements are growing everywhere, not just the US.

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Murein OP t1_jbju3jx wrote

Certain states are literally having republicans legalize child labor and ban contraception while trying to ban gay marriage or simply being transgender.

Meanwhile cost of living crisis just keeps worsening. Yeah it sure is going great.

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkb8ze wrote

The legalizing child labor and banning contraception parts I need proof of. The US still has a shit ton of influence globally with an insane economy to match

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Murein OP t1_jbkc73l wrote

*"In Iowa, Republican legislators introduced a bill in January to expand the types of work 14- and 15-year-olds would be permitted to do as part of approved training programs, extend allowable work hours, and exempt employers from liability if these young workers are sickened, injured or killed on the job."*

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/11/us-child-labor-laws-violations

*"(22) As of 2022, at least 4 States tried to ban access to some or all contraceptives by restricting access to public funding for these products and services. Furthermore, Arkansas, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas have infringed on people’s ability to access their contraceptive care by violating the free choice of provider requirement under the Medicaid program."*

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8373/text

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These are news I stumbled upon without even really looking. And I could find the sources for you in less than 10s of googling.

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkce5s wrote

Thank you for the sources. Those are bills introduced, those aren’t policy.

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Murein OP t1_jbkcu08 wrote

What are your thoughts on the mere fact that these things *are* being introduced? And where do you see the other social policy issues I mentioned going?

I'm not trying to be combative here, I am genuinely wishing to hear more optimistic perspectives than my own.

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkczm9 wrote

I think a better way to look at it is to see how many people vote and support it.

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Murein OP t1_jbkdkoa wrote

Sure - but Roe vs Wade got overturned despite overwhelming nationwide support for abortion rights. Heck, banning abortion wasn't even an issue in elections on the federal or state level.

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Jealous-Gate6014 t1_jbmq696 wrote

I could find just as many crazy and insane bills that were introduced by liberal state governments. This is a weak attempt to paint conservatives with a broad brush. It doesn’t take much to have a bill introduced just to have it swiftly killed in committee.

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Jealous-Gate6014 t1_jbmqnkh wrote

Abortion wasn’t banned. It was returned to the state level where it should have been along. I love how you guys say “oh abortion was abolished”, no, this wasn’t even a ruling at all about abortion itself, it was a ruling on federal vs state rights. I’m not even a pro life guy, but if we are going to discuss it, let’s be honest about the facts

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkdoyr wrote

Abortion is a different topic, stop moving the goalposts

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Murein OP t1_jbkdu3n wrote

Does the topic even matter when we're discussing how public opinion can be blatantly overrun?

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkdzss wrote

You brought up something specific, abortion pushback has been massive, but I am not here to talk about that.

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Murein OP t1_jbke3lh wrote

Yeah and see how much that pushback has helped?

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbke9cf wrote

I believe in Kansas they voted on it and kept it, local action is important

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Murein OP t1_jbkedp8 wrote

I'm gonna need a source on that being a grassroots win

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkeqms wrote

Grassroots? It was a popular vote. US politics is very dependent on the state so painting the US as going to shit is oversimplifying an incredibly complex country

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Ginger_Boi000 t1_jbms3e8 wrote

Iowa Pop - 3.1 mil

USA pop - 331 pop.

Plz do math next time. Who gives a FLYING FUCK about Iowa???

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spinyfur t1_jbkwnqr wrote

However, loved experience in the US will very much depend on which state you live in.

For example: several conservative states have been passing bans on abortion, meanwhile liberal states have been passing laws guaranteeing the right to an abortion.

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Murein OP t1_jbl0sfk wrote

What happens if senate and WH get taken by a republican next election? Federal bans on abortion and being gay/trans? Do the policies even stay in the US or would the leader of the free world export them by any means necessary?

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spinyfur t1_jbl83bt wrote

I think that’s very unlikely. No democrat would agree to a federal law banning abortion, which means 100% of the Republicans would have to agree to that ban, which would be wildly unpopular in many of their states.

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Ginger_Boi000 t1_jbmrvc4 wrote

Touch grass. Trans rights doesn't effect 99.99% of people in America and 99.99999999% of the world. State one single fact about a policy change from the past 40 years (post Soviet collapse) that indicates American hegemony retraction from the global stage.

I swear to god these fucking European retards got so much hubris that I'm starting to think Dresden was America's greatest achievement.

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