jimmio92 t1_j6gt1wr wrote
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I find it's best not to read the instructions at all. If you've ever seen concrete pours done on TV, you know the consistency you want -- partially melted ice cream made of rock. Add a little water at a time until you're there, stirring, folding, and kneading the whole time with a shovel. Shovel it in the cleaned out hole, smooth the surface, bingo.
Mix more than you think you need -- worst case scenario, you got yourself a boat anchor, but you had enough to finish the job and that's what matters.
What you're at now is "hammer and chisel it all out and start again" -- make sure to use eye protection and gloves.
KRed75 t1_j6h28s7 wrote
Nope. That would be way too much water. The least amount of water the better. The reason you see it so watered down is because it's easier to work with but it's wrong and makes for a very weak concrete that will crack and crumble in a few years. They make plasticizer additives that once added will make what looks like an almost dry mix look and act like it has 2 times too much water.
Check out this youtube video where they take a super dry mix, add a tiny bit of plasticizer and within a few seconds of mixing, it looks like someone dumped a gallon of water in it.
syco54645 t1_j6jjntg wrote
That is incredible. Thanks for sharing!
KRed75 t1_j6khee7 wrote
Plasticizer in concrete is like magic as the video shows. By the downvotes I've been getting, It's clear that there's a huge misconception that concrete should have so much water that it's liquid to do its job properly which is completely false. The more water, the weaker concrete becomes. It's harder to work when there's not a lot of water though which is why one should use plasticizer instead of adding more water.
Powder plasticizer is best because it has a much longer shelf life. liquid plasticizer has a very short shelf life. If one buys it from a big box store, one should check the expiration date because it won't work if it's much older than that expiration date. The liquid plasticizer at most big box stores is long ago expired.
I used to own a construction business and to keep cost down, I bought a concrete business and a drywall business. Actually made more money off those doing jobs for other companies than I did building houses but I'm an expert in everything concrete. Most companies would water down their mix and add too much aggregate and sand to save money. That's wrong and that's fraud. We did it correctly and would use plasticizer if doing jobs that required nice finish work such as counter tops or concrete walls that were to be the visible finished product. Lots of vibration is needed as well to eliminate voids.
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