Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments

JustCallMeMittens t1_j14bnv4 wrote

Is this shit your job?
This post is so meticulous with beautiful photos and concise information. The shed is fantastic, but you already knew that.

What I’m blown away by is the sheer quality of this post. I mean, 160 photos? Most of them with captions? Who does that?

Thank you for taking the time to put this together for the sub. I feel like I should be donating to your Patreon or something.

537

Reddit-username_here t1_j14ejna wrote

You know it's the real deal when he takes all those shingles off to replace the drip edge that got a nail hole. I would've put some silicone around that shit and called it a day lol.

227

CivilTax00100100 t1_j1983mi wrote

Seriously. This is meticulous. Imagine if they built an actual house. It would be petabytes of documentation and info lol

6

Architect_of_Sanity t1_j1ayouc wrote

I would too and it would have nagged me until the day I sold the house and moved. Then occasionally my asshole brain would remind me how I fucked up that drip edge and took the lazy way out.

3

JohnVerSteeg OP t1_j14bxcb wrote

Hahaha, thank you

110

Tabula_Nada t1_j14tzih wrote

Really - this guide is so thorough and helpful!

Is there anywhere you think you could have saved costs (including giving up any options or even a slight decrease in quality) or do you think this is about as good as it gets? Besides the aforementioned lock. Different materials, over-engineering, etc.

41

JohnVerSteeg OP t1_j152dn8 wrote

Definitely.

First of all, I paid a lot more for the lumber in June/July than I would if it were happening now. Lumber prices came down a lot from 2021 into 2022, but they're continuing to drop. I was paying about $6 per 2x4 and $25 for 7/16 OSB, and I think that's more like $4 and $15 now.

Secondly, I think a little bit of cost could be saved by buying in bulk. I was kind of figuring each step as I went, so I really only bought things one step at a time. If were to make a list of everything beforehand and order it at once, I think there'd be a discount there.

As for making design changes:

I think the easiest first step would be simplifying the framing. I could have built the walls with studs at 24" instead of 16", used a single top plate on the walls, and put the rafters directly on top of studs. I probably didn't need to use two king studs on each side of the double door, I probably didn't need a solid sandwich header above the door and window on the load bearing walls. Making all those changes would probably cut the framing step costs by 25-30%, and I imagine it would still be plenty strong for the size that it is.

I chose to sheath the walls with OSB, then use a vapor barrier, then put on siding, but a person could also just put the siding directly onto the studs, especially if they weren't planning on heating or cooling it. I think most people would consider that good enough for a shed.

On the subject of choosing not to heat or cool the shed -- if a person decided up front they didn't were never going to heat it, that would save money on roof vents and the ice and water shield on the roof.

Removing the windows would save a lot of cost -- first, there's the cost of the windows themselves, but there's also costs from extra framing, extra trim, all the flashing tape, etc.

The double door could be simplified a lot. A 2x4 box with just a piece of siding on it would probably be good enough. Maybe one cross support in the center, and a turnbuckle diagonally to prevent sagging. Plus those hinges I used cost about $30 each, and I needed 6 of them. I could have just used regular shed door hinges -- I think those cost closer to $30 for a complete set.

One relatively small thing that would have saved me money is nails vs screws -- I chose to do all the framing and sheathing and everything using #9 "GRK Multipurpose Screws". Those are special screws that are approved for use in framing, and cost like 15 cents a pop as a result. I wanted to do screws because it gave me the chance to take things apart and redo things. All the pros use nails, which are cheaper and probably better suited to framing anyway. Heck, I probably could have bought a framing nailer and used framing nails and still ended up paying less than how much I paid for screws.

There are probably other things I'm not thinking of, but those are the things that spring to mind.

76

stefanica t1_j159b56 wrote

Those are good screws though! I'm a really cruddy DIYer but I use them for (almost) everything. They do seem a bit pricy, but eh.

12

kreesperez t1_j17ff35 wrote

Did you consider buying a pre hung door and frame instead of building your own? You can find good deals on them.

2

Tetragonos t1_j158nhp wrote

And not just cat tax, but like cat tax like they just got audited and are paying back cat tax.

Also I have seen houses put together with less skill and care than this shed.

47

djphatjive t1_j16sq3a wrote

He has pie charts and shit. Wtf?

11

JustCallMeMittens t1_j16ukmg wrote

My project plans look slightly different.

For example, I have one phase of construction and it’s called “Shed? [Y/N]”

While I may not have 3D models, I feel I can convey the same ideas through scattered sheets of paper with eraser rips and lashing out at others.
If you require access to the reference materials, the majority have fallen behind the workbench so we’re both fucked.

Cost is three times whatever estimate I give.
Project duration is calculated using a similar nuanced algorithm.

6