Submitted by stinkinhardcore t3_zwq5ek in DIY

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We run a shop out of our home and I installed a gate to keep things separate. Unfortunately the gate gets a lot of traffic and the latch takes the brunt of it. Because of where it’s positioned (see photos), I can’t put the screws in a stud. The front screws aren’t even properly in the wall, they’re just in the corner bead. The pressure of the gate closing is pushing the screws out of the wall. At one point I tried using a longer latch bar to put it into the stud but I get the same problem because the pressure of the gate on the latch gets worse the longer the bar is. What are some ways to keep the latch bar in tact while reinforcing it enough so that it won’t get pushed out by an aggressive swing of the gate?

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solderfog t1_j1wdjrh wrote

You could make a wood plaque, and screw the latch to that. Hopefully the plaque can get screwed into some studs behind. You could make it somewhat match the gate. Or even a board that extends from the top of the step right up to the top of the gate. Maybe with some accent piece on top (like a post cap).

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Loquacious94808 t1_j1xpzzs wrote

This, create a backer that attaches to the wall with 4 bolts, then bolt the latch to that. This will distribute stress across a broader area

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Howard_Cosine t1_j1wg07e wrote

Might just need longer screws. That’s a corner - that certainly has a stud, and likely two doubled up.

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Illustrious-Newt-248 t1_j24jk79 wrote

This is what I was going to say. Plenty of options to make it more complex or upgrade it, but simplest and easiest option is to throw in a larger screw to register more of the stud. Would have to be a large gate to move four 2" screws in a corner pack.

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sabrtoothlion t1_j1x1bpg wrote

I don't know if this gate swings both ways but I think you should have the arm on the gate and the latch on the wall

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davethompson413 t1_j1w9rjw wrote

Have a metalworker make a new bar that mounts to the front wall (around that corner) and is bent to go back around the corner and then extend to where it needs to be.

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outofmemory01 t1_j1wz2pb wrote

Gate needs a 'slam stopper'. Someone suggested a door stop at the bottom (trip hazard) - which would stop some of the force of closing.

What you need is angle or some vertical strip that the gate arrests closure against...and the only force the latch has to deal with is the impact of the bar itself, rather than arresting the momentum of the weight of the gate (slammed, wind, or just spring/weight closure)...it's a lot of leverage that gets applied over and over.

Once you deal with stopping the gate in other ways re-securing the latch is easy enough.

Edit: other solutions are:

Soft closer for the gate. They make hydraulic and spring closers that close the gate more slowly. This can also be as simple as a string connected to the gate and the opposite side with a weight in the middle.

Depending on aesthetics it could be as simple as a chunk of wood between wall and the latch bar. You'd need to use fasteners into better attachment points - but there is likely only 1 stud in there (which you've hit with the farther 2 screws presently). This horizontal wood would help with the problem...but not really 'solve' it...as the screws are resisting the force in tension - and screws work best in sheer. You'd also need a chunk the same thickness at the gate latch to keep the gate at the same closed position.

The surfacing is likely ~3/4-5/8" thick...a better latch bar with a longer attachment plate would help - but you still have the problem with screws needing to 'grab' something. There are better fasteners - such as metal 'screw in style' drywall auger type attachments. Also butterfly clips would be good too - except that at the end of the stucco - as you already know - nothing out there to grab on to. But always if the force is applied in tension you'll just delay the problem - which is why I suggested a slam stopper. Typically this would be a 1x1-1/2 angle with the short end sticking out and the screws penetrating deep enough to embed into the stud - the longer the angle and the more screws the more the energy of the gate closing would be spread out.

If you're willing to move the gate in farther (away from camera location) you could just have a latch coming straight out the wall.

But really...as this is inside - I think using 'standard' gate hardware isn't the right solution. I'd look into other forms of 'latching'...and I suspect the goal is to keep either kids or animals out of the area...does it need latching at all?

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Ninjan8 t1_j1xglwq wrote

All he needs is a furring strip vertically for the gate to stop against. It will take all of the load.

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outofmemory01 t1_j1xhmc7 wrote

That's what I said. It's up to him to determine how best to do that.

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beso_negro t1_j1xphcc wrote

It looks almost like you could swap the two sides of the latch. If the bar was securely attached to the wood door, then it would push into the latch each time it closed.

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JimmyTheHuman t1_j1yh0vd wrote

I have solved this at my place. Add a piece of angle iron to your gate so when the gate closes it hit the iron nice and flush, and the latch only touches just enough to close.

This is kid and wind proof.

https://imgur.com/a/g7Zt2IC

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Extension_Service_54 t1_j1wp50j wrote

Problem: screws don't hold because of lack of material strength screws grab onto

Solution add more material.

2 dollar solution:

  1. Measure distance between outer edge of latch and wall at point where lock catches latch.

  2. Remove latch from wall

  3. Buy 2 ft long plank that has a thickness of step 1. Buy 10 drywall screws.

  4. Horizontally attach wood to wall with screws. Allign edge of wood with edge of wall. Allign middle of plank with point at which latch catches.

  5. Screw the latch onto the plank upside down.

  6. Check if door closes correctly. If it does you're done. If not see 7.

  7. If door don't fully close you take a knife and notch out room on the plank for the bulge of the latch to fall into. If the door closes before latch catches you need to unscrew the plank and add folded paper to the edge of the wall and screw plank back into position.

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Extension_Service_54 t1_j1yequ2 wrote

Nope.

Drywall screws to screw the wood to the stud, paper to level out so that the door catches on the door frame and not on the latch.

It doesn't need to be more than that.

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Extension_Service_54 t1_j1yo2an wrote

My complicated plan is to screw a plank onto the wall and mount the striker onto this..

Sorry I broke your brain because I wrote latch instead of striker.

The 2ft plank will disburse impact joules across a big surface so it will protect the sheetrock. And it's 2 ft because you'll find a stud within 2 ft to mount it to.

The plank adds material the strikerscrews can firmly grip. But the width of the added material will make it impossible for latch to catch striker since striker will now stop 1 plank width in front of latch.

So you inversely mount striker so that striker bends towards latch and therefore negates added material.

This is why you picked out plank width same as height difference between striker bend and striker mountpad

Carve out the curvature of the striker mount if you need the catching point to be exactly the same as before.

Add folded paper underneath plank if you need to make outwards micro adjustments to the catching moment.

The goal of the adjustments are to make the weight of the door slam into the doorframe, not the striker.

Rusty screws are not a problem because it's inside. Paper shims will not soak up water it's inside. (OP said it's inside the house and there's carpetted stairs in the picture ffs)

Screws will not snap off since I adviced to adjust the catching moment of striker in such a manner that the doorframe catches the door, not the striker.

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FederalSlutInspector t1_j1ww86d wrote

Longer screws and also angle the screw on the corner inwards so it hits the beam.

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No_Pomegranate2580 t1_j1xpmtz wrote

I would switch to a different latch system and maybe add self closing hinges. Self closing hinges and hook and eye latch?

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humanefly t1_j1yasg8 wrote

Take both parts of the latch off.

Screw a longer section of wood vertically to the wall with long screws, ideally you can get that into the stud if not use some construction glue to help.

Cut a small section of this wood the same thickness and put it on the door, under the catch, and mount the latch to the wood on the wall. Both of them are reinforced, and moved the same amount away from the wall/door

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Wholesome-Carrot58 t1_j1w8tk8 wrote

Maybe using glue, duct tape, and 100s of rubber bands?

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I dunno that's usually how I fix/make things.

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