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notablyunfamous t1_jacg4qc wrote

And like in Canada they’ll soon start pressuring patients to kill themselves to save money.

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schlasara t1_jacstjo wrote

Everyone should have the ability to chose to die with dignity instead of prolonging the suffering

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Buuuddd t1_jacumyi wrote

Replying to notablyunfamous (#2,101,838)

It makes sense to encourage otherwise healthy people to take their treatment. Then when CPR wouldn't really make sense to ever do, to encourage to change to DNR. Then when physical and mental extreme suffering is inevitable, to encourage physician-assisted suicide.

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notablyunfamous t1_jacv3j0 wrote

Replying to gaysagainsthumanity (#2,104,745)

Except there’s no such thing as free healthcare. Drugs and supplies cost money. Doctors get paid, bills are paid. “Free” isn’t real. It’s paid for in taxes. The providers are still getting paid with the same “incentives” claimed for the US system. It’s just that they don’t see a bill in the mail, they pay it every pay period whether they’re sick or not.

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TreeEleben t1_jacww3a wrote

Allowing people to die when they choose will hurt the profits of the medical industry. End of life care is absurdly expensive. For that reason alone, this legislation will go nowhere.

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Aviendha00 t1_jad6rds wrote

My guess is that people aren’t really worried about insurance companies or the medical establishment pressuring people.

I think people maybe don’t want to feel guilty not choosing this option if their families are under pressure.

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HerAirness t1_jad76l6 wrote

Replying to JohnBrownEye69 (#2,110,468)

Of course I know that. Have you ever dealt with a terminal illness? Shit is BLEAK. I have had to watch too many loved ones suffer just because. My aunt was a mess for over a year. It's horrific & expensive.

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Shellsbells821 t1_jadb5p7 wrote

Hubby and I had a friend, Mike that was terminally ill and went many times to speak on this. Unfortunately, he passed away and was in awful pain. He would be happy to have had this option.

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Affectionate_Till_62 t1_jadfjbe wrote

This is already a thing in Switzerland, canada, California and many other places

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Yinyangwithin t1_jadl4ju wrote

My aunt died of Cancer and it physically destroyed the beautiful woman she was.

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Ciridussy t1_jadqg50 wrote

Replying to Affectionate_Till_62 (#2,113,177)

I am Swiss. Every one of my family's elders has gone in peace at the time of their choosing surrounded by family. Enacting this legislation was the best decision we've made and none of the alarmist fears panned out.

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Darkling5499 t1_jadw2pr wrote

Replying to Affectionate_Till_62 (#2,118,118)

Oh I don't even mean that. I mean the more recent news that the Canadian government has been pushing doctors (especially the ones in their version of the VA) to basically tell people it's the only treatment option, because its cheaper to kill someone than it is to treat them.

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CoolBeagle t1_jadw6ai wrote

My family recently had to watch my grandfather slowly die as he couldn't eat anymore. We had to watch him slowly starve to death. He wished to be able to have access to something like this. Hope it can come to pass.

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buried_lede t1_jae1k5x wrote

Replying to SKIPPY_IS_REAL (#2,112,884)

Personally, I hate this. End of life pain relief is very good now and it would be few conditions that are so intolerable to my mind to justify it, and no matter what people say, it will be abused. I read stories where it already is in places that have initiated it — I think Canada? Can’t remember. How to navigate all of this is unknown to me. I don’t think abuse can be 100-percent prevented.

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buried_lede t1_jae244n wrote

Replying to Ciridussy (#2,116,636)

We don’t have anything like universal health care here. And even in Canada I’ve read about abuses. I don’t know. It makes me very nervous. It’s not that I wouldn’t want access to it myself, I am sure under certain conditions I would

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buried_lede t1_jae2f62 wrote

Replying to Darkling5499 (#2,118,465)

It’s so disgusting. That story made me speechless and totally scared to do anything like that here. This country is already twice as nuts as Canada, what are the chances this won’t be abused?

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buried_lede t1_jae2vvv wrote

Replying to notablyunfamous (#2,104,782)

Down voted because … everyone knows insurance companies in the US are sooo altruistic. /s. Oh, my Medicare advantage plan doesn’t push this, they just stop paying! They just yank any more hospice care. We would never oppose anyone choosing not to die!

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buried_lede t1_jae4o6d wrote

Replying to Buuuddd (#2,106,517)

Connecticut voters will happily hop and skip to their legislators to show their support for this law, forgetting, as always, a seemingly enlightened idea is never implemented consistently and will only be as humane and enlightened as the people involved in caring for someone terminally ill. Reality should always be considered when we do this stuff.

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buried_lede t1_jae5qh6 wrote

Replying to Professional_Bird_74 (#2,120,916)

Done well there are few conditions that can’t find comfort in dying. My mother passed peacefully of cancer with an opioid drip. I’ve had major, invasive surgery with no post op pain at all, none. I don’t think this will end well.

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buried_lede t1_jae6lxd wrote

Replying to Professional_Bird_74 (#2,120,916)

I can imagine some conditions that might be excruciating for me: being quadriplegic AND very sick for a long time. Being in end stage Lou Gehrig for a seemingly interminable amount of time , totally paralyzed from a stroke with no rehab or activity and sick on top of that with cancer or something. Most of what I can imagine being terrifying for me are conditions that are very prolonged where I am both ill and helpless. But I don’t think this law should pass

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solomons-marbles t1_jae9hi6 wrote

We treat our pets with more dignity than our ill. It’s really sad. People should have the right chose their own path. It’s not a decision that someone else should have any opinion on.

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Magehunter_Skassi t1_jaeglms wrote

This is great to hear and I hope to see it as all-encompassing as Canada's one day. It's ridiculous that someone with an uncurable mental illness can be forced to suffer or use risky personal methods (dying alone in the process) if they want to end things, rather than having a safe government program to do so.

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tablebythegym t1_jaegpkb wrote

Close family member recently died and this would have saved them and us from so many issues. They were begging to die saying, “god please let me rest” for their last week and I’m sure was feeling that way for much of the time before. If you’re done and close to death you should be allowed to go.

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cha0scypher t1_jaejo76 wrote

Replying to Aviendha00 (#2,110,415)

I think you nailed it. If an insurance company has a choice between covering an expensive treatment for a terminally ill patient vs. a lethal dose of barbiturates, which do you think they'll cover?

"Sorry Doc, we won't cover the treatment, but we WILL cover assisted suicide cuz that's legal in your state now...so....talk to your patient"

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1Bzi t1_jaejuan wrote

One thing Ned can do, assist you in killing yourself off to escape the HELL he’s created here in this once great state.

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jmcgit t1_jaeom64 wrote

Replying to cha0scypher (#2,126,724)

You say that as if the insurance company was going to pay for the treatment in that state that still prohibits aid in dying. They'll offer both patients the treatment that barely addresses the symptoms as they were understood in 1973.

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keepitupxxx t1_jaeqjmo wrote

This should be considered part of the life cycle an not have to be sign in to legislation

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mmmmm_pancakes t1_jaeski9 wrote

Replying to _Xanderjr_ (#2,129,186)

You're right to call them on out this, as it's been an absurd claim from conservatives for several decades now. These days, they hate individual choice whenever that might threaten the interests of wealthy white men; trans rights, voting rights, abortion, etc.

That said, they have been ideologically consistent on this when it suits their needs: guns, schools, healthcare, the environment. It's a selfish stance that results in terrible, destructive policy on all of those issues, but in those areas "individual choice" is still a genuine conservative ideal.

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Slapchop420 t1_jaeu672 wrote

Please do this! I personally don't want to suffer, hated seeing those that passed suffer, and this will be a humane route to take to ease that suffering.

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5Dprairiedog t1_jaevits wrote

Replying to notablyunfamous (#2,130,523)

And....dead people don't make drug companies or insurance companies profit. Scroll up for context lol

And when people say "free" they mean there is no direct expense. Like no shit taxes go to fund things. Everything costs money because we have designed it that way. Making record profits for shareholders while a majority of bankruptcies in the US are due to medical bills is immoral. Focus on that instead.

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Aviendha00 t1_jaeweg4 wrote

Replying to cha0scypher (#2,126,724)

Sorry maybe I wasn’t clear?

I don’t think anyone is suggesting an insurance company is right out going to be able to say they won’t pay for treatment because the patient can choose to die which is cheaper.

My guess is that people believe insurance companies will deny treatment and make up some reason to deny it because they know there is a cheaper option= dying

In general I don’t think this makes sense because insurance companies already deny paying for treatments all the time. Thinking that ‘well you can die’ is an excuse for them doesn’t add up.

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QuestorPS7 t1_jaexlnt wrote

Replying to TreeEleben (#2,107,239)

The requirements are so narrow and this would be used by so few people that it’s not going to impact any insurance company’s bottom line. This has been legal in Oregon for 25 years and about 2,200 people have taken advantage of it. That’s fewer than 100 a year. (Source)

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notablyunfamous t1_jaexoqc wrote

Replying to 5Dprairiedog (#2,131,673)

I know what people mean, but they don’t often consider it.. especially young people. And yes, it’s plenty profitable because there’s 7 almost 8 billion people. Everyone dies. There’s always money to be made and saved. You’re thinking too shallow and short term.

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coastal_girl14 t1_jaf1v41 wrote

This was discussed in 2019 as well. During my mother's stay in hospice. It would have been a godsend. Hospice is not always the best solution. For some it works well. I had wished at the time that I had the emotional fortitude to leave my mother's bedside and testify in favor of the previous measure.

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im_a_zergling t1_jaf43ho wrote

wont pass because letting people leave the hospital early = less money

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