>Graybrown was charged with criminal attempt to commit assault, unlawful discharge of a firearm, risk of injury to a minor and second-degree reckless endangerment.

The second amendment tough on crime vigilante crew should read this.

Oddly enough, based on that story, if Graybrown had been a cop, that kid would be dead and riddled with bullets right now.

You’re supposed to be the victim and call the cops and watch as shitbags steal your stuff while the cops take their sweet ass time.

His biggest mistake was missing.

What the headline fails to point out is that that after he chased the kid he started reaching around for what the man perceived as weapon.

I moved to ATL and that happens down here. When the cops come they just say ‘ he fucked around and found out’

Everyone should be outraged at those charges.

Honestly I get it… I get why you feel that way and I understand people are fed up with kids and adults getting away stealing all the time and nothing being done about it.. but personally, not me… there is nothing in my car worth me killing a kid or anyone over. That’s just me though…

Dude should've been doing his Dicken Drills.

Nah, then he might have a murder charge. For somebody who was running away from his property who he thought had a gun.

When you carry, you need to understand how the law works and applies in various situations.

The kids began running away as soon as Graybrown started yelling at them. They retreated from the property. You can’t kill somebody for that.

Saying he “believed the juvenile had a gun” is likely not legally sound in this case. The teens were “running away.” Had they started to move towards Graybrown and make their way into his house, maybe the law would see that differently.

Responsible gun owners are responsible for understanding how the law is applied in these situations.

Ah yes, the classic deadly force justification of someone breaking into a car. They taught me this in the Air Force.

You’re getting down voted but are 100% correct. Retreating = getting shot in the back which is unjustifiable.

Edit: some also mentioned that the guy was “reaching” while he was running. Dude was still running. Regardless of whether or not the thief was a piece of shit self defense ended when pursuit began.

[deleted]

His mistake was calling the police. If you’re gonna do vigilante shit don’t expect a reward.

Man, people are really thirsty for teen blood.

Some of the recent car break-ins, the thieves shoot at the homeowners while they retreat. His claims certainly are possible. It’s also possible he’s making it up to justify his own actions. Other evidence lacking, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt as he was not the instigator.

Criminality isn’t inherently incorrect or immoral, bub

release this man

To that kid there was stuff in that car worth dying for.

[deleted]

Can't disagree with this.

its ok guys, those kids could have stolen his car, totaled it, and wouldn't have to pay or be punished in any way.

> The juvenile was charged with criminal attempt to commit larceny.

He's going to jail. Can't shoot to protect property, only hunam lives.

Unless you're a cop. Then you can fire away with zero regard for anyone.

and will be let go with no repercussions...

That's why this state is in a decline, if my son my newborn is in my house with me and we're broken into, idc I'm firing first at the perpetrators then asking later, not to kill but we should as THE constitution state have the same law as Texas. Why should you be a victim whe the cops won't help you or take there sweet time while God forbid your being brutalized or anyone for tht matter?

When you work two jobs to survive and only have liability and some fucks steal your car. That’s your livelihood that’s your life. Someone with that situation may not give a shit and start blasting.

There’s a difference between wanting to wait for a situation just to kill someone and wanting to protect property they get taxed on they have to sit and wait for police to arrive while the damage is done. People are getting tired of it.

Maybe you don’t know my situation and what I would do in that situation even though I jus told you what I would do and it isn’t killing teenagers over a car but carry on buddy

[deleted]

Free him.

Do I know you?

No but there you are

[removed]

Give this man a reward.

Scary times when the property owner gets treated like a criminal more than the criminal themselves. Fuck these lax DA’s and start making examples of these punks and give ‘em hard time.

Yeah a bit too far

Shouldn’t have chased him. You let the person go. It’s only a car, it can be replaced.

The innocent victim was just stealing a car. He probably had a troubled home life and just needs hugs.

The nerve of the monster that decided to stop the young man from trying to feed his family! Put him in jail and throw away the key

[deleted]

Sarcasm

> idc I'm firing first at the perpetrators then asking later

Always know your target and what is beyond your target.

> not to kill

Never point a gun at anyone you don't intend to kill.

> THE constitution state

[Our namesake has nothing to do with the US Constitution.] (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/ct03.asp)

> have the same law as Texas.

This Texas?

His mistake was yelling. Shoot first.

Did you read the article?

So we're pro teen-killing in this sub? Especially when they're running away? Interesting stand to take.

[deleted]

Always adjust your sights is the message I get, and if you aim aim for the leg, worst case assault with a deadly weapon is better then murder, and sends a message to any would be criminals

If it were Afghanistan when I were there I'd have emptied my clip first asked questions after, and yes I have had to do that, do I regret it? Yes, but what could've happened n what did happen are 2 different things. I thank whatever God there is I'm still here bc I acted first when I saw a threat.

You've never been in a war zone kid, I have, you either act or get acted upon and you might not live.

Aim for the leg gets you attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and a lawsuit. Unfortunately the way things go, you're better off taking the risk on a murder/manslaughter charge. Gangs send messages, using violence to prove a point is never a good approach. Dead people have a really hard time reoffending.

you would execute someone for breaking into your car?

if you've spent any time in this sub you will know they are. deranged shit.

Well then good to know, IL make sure of that. And make sure I'm backed in a corner per ct law which is fucked that you have to be in a corner in your own house to defend yourself to avoid prosecution

[deleted]

oh we got a tough guy!!!

Yup. It's unfortunate that our legislature has put citizens in this position where you have to be at the brink of death with nowhere to run to MAYBE have a chance at not getting convicted.

That's why it's a good lesson, always have a good lawyer on retainer in CT, never know if you need one or not for that matter

And maybe the old Joe Swanson trick, plant a knife on that bird just to be safe

Say that to me in person man, we'd have a solid discussion about the do and don't when you are in active combat. Hopefully you never saw that and the loss and horror that comes with it, as a man I can day, I still suffer from ptsd from that, can you? Have you ever had to make a choice of life or death? I hope not.

This guy looks like a dude I went to high school with who was really into hentai.

Maybe I’m the crazy one but I think there’s definitely a firm middle ground between murdering someone over the spare change in my center console and my EZ pass and playing the victim.

That’s not the same. That’s a BARRK felony and you can most certainly shoot at them with minimal repercussions. A baby monitor in a car and your baby are not on the same playing field for shooting

I really hope you’re not willing to kill someone over a baby monitor. And if you are, I hope you take some time to reflect on what’s valuable to you and your life

I'd hope not, I take my child and his safety very seriously, and as a veteran who did time in Afghanistan its my first reaction to case every room with a firearm, may be my ptsd from it but also precautions. I got a good lawyer incase but I hope it'd never come to that.

[deleted]

You all are grandstanders

I've beaten a person half to death and called the cops for that, they arrested him. He broke into my garage. So yeah. I probably would if it came to it n he had a weapon

Same thing happened to this guy in newtown. A few kids from waterbury were taking things out of his car in the middle of the night. He came out, they all ran, and he ended up shooting the girl in the back.

Seems like a pretty obvious statement to anyone with critical thinking skills to me 🤷‍♂️

Oh look at mister war criminal here trying to act so cool.

Look at Mr pussy who never served for his country, I'd bet you've never even seen a fist fight let alone active combat. I wouldn't trust you with a butter knife and a roll kid

Brownman65 I hope we reinstate the draft and you get picked. Go thru what I did then come talk to me when your a man. When you have ptsd and regrets.

Yeah I’m glad I didn’t help this country kill millions of innocent civilians in the Middle East for the crime of being brown.

You chose to go there on your own. You deserve every mental trauma you’ve gained from your time there because you shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Don’t get mad at me because you’re a war criminal.

Apparently everyone downvoting people that support the right to use force to protect their property has an endless supply of money to just replace whatever is stolen, or broken.

I know what the law says, but in a lot of cases "they fucked around and found out" seems like it would be far more fair and applicable.

When there is little-to-no repercussions for robbery in this state, why do you think people continue to do it? Look at California, the place is a zoo.

He was a cop wash out

[removed]

Perhaps you should move to Texas. Hopefully your kid won't be shot in elementary school due to their lax gun laws...

Nope. They are being down voted because this guy thought he was a cowboy and pursued the children. Having a gun changes your mindset that you should fire wrecklessly. Just like this guy did.

Just glad his bullet didn't end up in the car seat of a nearby passing car or in the crib of a nearby home. Bet you 2a folks didn't think of that one huh?

You read too much from the CT GOP website.

[deleted]

Under normal circumstances, I would've said shooting at the kids is a massive overreaction. But you know what....I get it. Juvenile car robberies and carjackings are a massive problem in this state...people get hurt over this crap.

And because they're minors, the law is scared to give them a harsh, life-altering punishment. The minors know they can steal crap, get caught and get released with little care.

In this context, I think this guy should get a light punishment. He was in the wrong, but the law failed HIM first.

Sorry, but if one attempts to steal a car, one deserves to be shot, and then shot again for good measure. Same goes for breaking and entering. I often lean a bit liberal, but have zero tolerance for that type of bull fuckery.

It's new Haven not Afghanistan, take it down a notch

Yes, so unfortunate that we can't shoot people in the back for stealing an ipod

He is a criminal, he recklessly shot at someone who was running away. Responsible gun owners don't need any more bad press, fuck this guy

I am so sick of the woke crowd putting black people in movies and preventing me from shooting unarmed children in the back

I’m so sorry for this man and his family. CT does not have our back for people who defend their property.

Like all legal things in self defense related cases, it's tricky. It's one thing if your assailant was using something like a knife or their fists to hurt someone and then opts to flee. At that point, they no longer have the capacity to harm others as long as everyone keeps their distance, so unless they're perceived as being on the move to hurt someone else (which you would need to prove), you're right in that that would be a bad shoot. However, that sort of proximity phenomenon is off the table with a gun. You can very easily fire a weapon while retreating, and someone with a gun on the move can still pose a threat almost instantly. The assailant firing blindly without even turning is a possibility, and all they have to do is get lucky. All this to say, it's not super clear cut when a gun is perceived to be involved, though his perception on the presence of a firearm is a different discussion and one that will certainly come up alongside this.

[removed]

Obviously your short ass memory forgot about Sandy Hook..

There have been 3 school shootings in Texas that I can find. Seeing as how they have 10 times the population, seems like our record is worse than theirs for school shootings.

You don’t know what I’ve been or what I’ve done… since you called me a kid when I’m clearly not that… so relax “kid”

It’s like everyone in CT has the neighbors app except the cops. This shit happens every day in practically every town and it seems like not a damn thing is happening to stop it. “Just let em steal your shit and play victim” should be the state motto 🤦‍♂️ Post mugshots of the kids and their parents rather than this guy protecting his shit.

[deleted]

I didn't comment on the children's race. I think you may have missed the point of my post.

Shit take.

Not disagreeing with anything you’re saying just a tip.

I grew up in Boston I never locked my car doors and leave absolutely nothing of value in it, even change (a drug addict will smash your window for like 50 cents)

Idk what they tell you to do in CT but that’s how I avoided any unnecessary smashed windows.

Awwww. Look at you. But you forgot how easy it was for Texans to buy guns. Which is exactly what it is you 2a folks seem to want....

[deleted]

So better to kill them? Lol

Yeah nobody steals shit in other states.

I’m sorry, that sucks nothing worse then feeling violated like that.

Aw, look at you ignoring reality to try and shit on Texas while we have our own problems here even with our draconian gun laws.

Did you know the drug overdose rate is 3 times as high in CT as it is in Texas? Or that that covid death rate is 50% higher in Ct?

No, he’s pretty accurate actually.

Maybe you should be blaming the politicians of both parties who sent him…

lol because a person can't shoot at you when they're retreating?

Sure can, but that's why you don't pursue.

Address the root cause. Why are kids committing petty crimes like this? The answer is increased poverty and lack of opportunity in their communities. Housing and food insecurity. High crime and violence. If we want to stop this, then those are the issues we need to tackle in the cities.

Don’t chase him. There’s your answer. No property is worth going to jail or losing your life for.

Punishment will not stop these types of crimes, only exacerbate them.

Penalty for car looting should be way higher tbh. I’m sick of this being an acceptable thing in society

Sir we live in a blue state

Issue with this is what ends up happening is people like that replicate and have multiple baby mamas then the problem will only double the next generation

Eh the issue is you need to KNOW it’s a criminal and not just assume in the moment. What if someone thought it was their car or was told to put something in someone else’s? It’s rare, but there is guaranteed to be a case like that. I just think you should record and CT should up the penalties big time

But texas functions better

This shit is literally what turned me right wing.

The willing soldier is just as guilty as the politician that sent them there. You don’t get to say you didn’t think you’d have to kill anyone when you chose to join the military. That’s the whole point of the military.

Nah just higher consequences for robbing innocent people

You just turned it into a race thing. You don’t have a point give up the grift

Is someone else’s property worth going to jail or losing your life for?

No, and neither is mine.

How so? What you are suggesting is what the state did: stop punishing teens for crimes. And what happened? Teens commit crimes but with a sense superiority because they know nothing will happen to them, legally anyway. Perhaps a few ventilated teenagers will change that.

The teenager was more than willing to take that risk. You’re suggesting nothing I own is worth protecting with force but you don’t have the same sentiments for the individuals who may attempt to steal it. Why?

Nobody wants to see dead kids but if the laws and prosecutors aren’t willing to hand out any substantial consequences for this shit then perhaps a few ventilated teenagers laying in the street might sway some other kids’ minds before they go stealing.

[deleted]

>perhaps a few ventilated teenagers laying in the street

You're one sick dude. Comments like that give ammosexuals a bad name.

good riddance

You're absolutely right, but the fact that these kids know they won't be prosecuted is also part of the cause. Of course poor kids are going to go out robbing cars, high reward, effectively zero risk. It's frustrating when the police can't do anything to stop the robberies, and if a citizen tries to stop it, the police arrest them and lock them up, while the theives get let go immediately.

Poverty isn't going away, it's just increasing. The state needs to get this under control before it gets worse. Kids are already shooting at people who spot them. Someone is going to end up dead.

You have no idea what this person’s motivation was for joining the military. Be careful on your moral high horse, the ground is hard.

A whole lot of people on this thread support the extra judicial killing of children. The sociopathy is rampant.

No wonder fascism and authoritarianism is so prevalent in this country.

Are you one of the "unwoke?"

Did you sleep through school while others were getting an education?

If CT didn't have the laws it had, I'd be more than willing to protect my property. Do I want to kill someone? Absolutly not. But if you break into my car to use my garage door opener to gain access to my house or go on a joyride with my car and make me liable for damages? Yeah I might have some choices to make. See the issue is, when someone is breaking into your car, they don't notify you first what they're after. So you're breaking into my car, I can only assume you're taking away the tool which gets me to and from my livelihood every day. Sure. Could be a baby monitor in there. Could be some clothes. Could be a baby in there too. Doesn't make a difference. The thief should "reflect on what's valuable to them and their life." maybe we should start taking our belongings from in our car and leave them out outside in a basket like cookies for Santa. No more damaged property and thieves still get to steal my reading glasses and dunkin napkins.

Understandable, but also don't forget that it was a maniacal right wing mob led by a maniacal right wing quasi-fascist that actually attempted an overthrow of our democracy not so long ago.

Do they? Would you prefer I rephrase to cater to your delicate sensibilities since you pose no other solutions? These kids aren’t getting in trouble. They think nothing is going to happen. And what happens next? They get a little bolder. Maybe they get a little pushback from one of their victims. So the next time they bring a weapon with them. Maybe they use it. Maybe some poor young pregnant woman goes to get something out of her car at the wrong time and gets shot, loses the baby which destroys her mental health, and leads to life of depression and anxiety. All because you don’t want to prosecute teenage boys for crimes.

Cops shoot unarmed people in the back and claim the person was reaching for something. They face no consequences.

Did they ring your door bell to let you know they'd ONLY be taking your iPod, or should we just assume they're not going to steal your car or better yet use your garage door opener to get in your house?

Than where? Somalia?

I have knowledge of self

No I didn't, I made a sarcastic comment to illustrate how fucking stupid it is to blame this on woke culture

If I badly wanted to shoot them, like you seem to, I'd let them come in the house. We have castle doctrine in CT I'd be free and clear legally speaking

>Did you know the drug overdose rate is 3 times as high in CT as it is in Texas? Or that that covid death rate is 50% higher in Ct?

331 vs 317 is not 50% higher. And population density is higher in the northeast.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Also, poor choice of word for this thread.

Draconian

>Draconian comes from Draco, the name of a 7th-century B.C. Athenian legislator who created a written code of law. Draco's code was intended to clarify existing laws, but its severity is what made it really memorable. According to the code, even minor offenses were punishable by death, and failure to pay one's debts could result in slavery. Draconian, as a result, became associated with especially authoritative actions that are viewed as cruel or harsh.

He should not have been arrested. He is protecting his property. Time to end the Woke views of the bleeding heart Democrats that have ruined Connecticut.

His shooting would have been legal if he was a cop. They're allowed to shoot fleeing subjects if they're scared or concerned. Why the double standards?

maybe maybe maybe. In this care the kid was running away, probably scared shitless.

In our society its the criminal justice system that prosecutes crimes, not some random untrained Rambo. Look up the concept of due process.

But keep clutching those pearls, tough guy.

But in our society we stopped punishing the crimes so your thoughts and feelings are as useless as you.

Yes, scared shitless. My man here fired a couple shots at a piece-of-shit kid. Maybe this will be his wake up call. Maybe this is the moment when he turns it all around. Or it’s the moment where he decides he’ll never go stealing and robbing without a gun again and the next time he does this he kills someone.

Then you pat yourself on the back because you thought never prosecuting thefts and car break ins was such a progressive idea.

I don't but I also shouldn't have to wait until a threat is inside my house is my point. We should be stand your ground, not just castle doctrine. On top of it, we're a duty to retreat state too. So if you're being car jacked or robbed in your own driveway, you have to basically let it happen because it's "not in your dwelling".

Stand your ground wouldn't apply here, they weren't threatening him they were stealing from his car and he'd still be in just as much legal trouble in a stand your ground state

That is incorrect. No kid is thinking “hmm I can’t wait to steal stuff because the state won’t punish me for it!” The consequences of the crime isn’t even a thought in their head. Again address the root cause. Poverty. We can fix this issue by addressing what leads people to commit petty crime.

Material things can be replaced. Life cannot. And I didn’t say using force isn’t justified. I said losing life.

Yea that’s not true. Kids aren’t breaking into cars because they think nothing will happen. The consequences aren’t even a thought in their head at that moment. Reducing punishments is the first step, but the root cause is poverty, food/housing insecurity.

I’m not at all supporter of jan 6th and they should be in jail. But you have to admit that the left called the blm riots a “mostly peaceful protest” because it was 93% peaceful, and seeing there were 200k people at jan 6th but only 500 went in, it was technically “mostly peaceful” by the same standards. Also 35 people were killed in blm riots vs 3 trump supporters and 1 cop on jan 6th. At trump’s inauguration, people tried to storm the white house lawn too, but it was stopped much quicker. Comparing 3 billion in damages, 35 lives lost with 1 million in damages with 1 life lost is hypocritical to me. None should have happened, but there’s a double standard with this to me. There’s still not one quote from Trump saying anything other than to go protest at the capitol. But cuomo literally said “no one ever said protests were supposed to be polite and peaceful”

[deleted]

What’s not true? The consequences and punishments for the teenagers were basically abandoned for fear of being racist and the car break ins and property crime spiked? That part? These kids, while dumb, know this. They understand they’re not gonna face much from the legal system so there is no real deterrent. Now, if they start thinking they’re going to face retribution from the person they’re stealing from they’ll either stop and think or escalate. By removing the legal repercussions, the state put you and I in the uncomfortable position of either “should I let them just take it and spend weeks/months haggling with insurance companies or just go spend the dollar amount to buy new shit” or “I’ll just end it right here, thanks.”

Idk about you but I also have to feed my family and myself. I’m not rich by any means. Do you really think people are going to adopt that mindset of just allowing their belongings to stolen so some shithead teenager can go buy some insert racial stereotype item here? Seriously

Woke culture really is to blame though. Abolishing police and lessening penalties is what brought us here

So when suburban kids do this garbage it’s because the root cause is poverty, food/housing insecurity? Or is it only the root cause when it is committed by an urban dweller? You don’t think some kids are just piece of shit thieves? That could never be an option?

That’s a cute take on the situation. There’s plenty of jobs available, every employer/municipality/state/institution is hiring right now. They are giving skilled jobs to people with no experience to fill the role and are providing training. This is a time of great opportunity, and young thugs are still going around robbing hardworking people

It’s really telling your first reaction is “get a job” when even if you have a job, you still live in poverty. Specifically for the kids breaking into cars: we should focus on providing after school activities and funding programs that engage people so they won’t turn to crime.

The reality is most crime comes from the cities and poorer areas, into more wealthier areas.

Yikes can’t help you there. The reality is increasing punishments have been proven over and over again to lead to increases in crime and recidivism.

And your suggestion is to just let it go?

So not prosecuting anything is the solution and telling people such as the guy pictured “don’t you fucking dare do anything about it”? I don’t think this is going to have the effects you’re absolute sure it will. Should we stop prosecuting home invasion because the rate of recidivism is high? I mean, they’re just taking stuff that can replaced, right? Who cares if people have to live in fear of having their cars and homes broken into so someone else can have a nice hot meal and feel secure. Am I understanding you correctly?

When did Connecticut abolish its police force? First I'm hearing of that

Lol no and I never said that. My solution is to fund programs and keep these kids OUT of trouble. Can’t punish a crime if no crimes are being committed!

Ask yourself: what causes crime? What leads someone to break into a home or car? There are also many different kinds of rehabilitative justice that are more effective than locking someone in jail and throwing away the key.

Oh you’re going to end crime? I didn’t know. It’s been such a long time. Thanks. In which branch of Us state government are you in to enact these legislative miracles?

I did a lot of volunteer work in the late 90s/2000s, up until about 2009. I repainted the the Boys and Girls club years ago and other odds and ends when it was behind the North End prison. I worked with PAL. A lot of stuff. Believe me, you’re not ending crime anytime soon. Not by throwing them in jail, not by ignoring it, not by advocating that the criminal is the victim. But remain in your fantasy if that’s what keeps you comfortable

What a toxic and childish attitude. A better world is possible, but not with an attitude like that!