>did not qualify one over the other.

Oh, of course, you weren't suggesting that a higher murder rate is a bad thing, silly me! Why not be honest with me?

>Most dangerous state is measured in your stat with violent crime overall not gun deaths. Also, your stat on gang deaths was for all shooting deaths and not for the age group we were discussing which seems relevant.

Ah, look who's a stickler for hyper specific stats all of the sudden, while still presenting ZERO of your own.

So you think teens have a higher rate of gang involvement than adults? That would be the only way that distinction would make a difference. And yet, you still have offered zero evidence to suggest they somehow reverse that statistic. I'm waiting...

You said "murder rates in big cities", not gun violence. You're clearly speaking broadly about violence in general, but keep trying to weasel out of it.