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Crixxxxxx1 t1_j1cd2p2 wrote

Joe Lieberman is old news. Most CT residents don’t think about him anymore.

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Amsterdam1620 t1_j1cqv0a wrote

The question is flawed in assuming that word applies to either but Lieberman is a selfish sniveling turd.

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QueenOfQuok t1_j1cyhpp wrote

Now keep in mind that this is all from 20 years ago, so I may not be remembering accurately, but -- from what I recall,Lieberman was the Joe Manchin of his era. The kind of senator who cultivates an image of being independent from party politics, but winds up mostly getting in the way of things the Democrats want to do. Which definitely didn't go over well in Connecticut.

I don't know if I like Chris Murphy. I don't hear much about him. He seems to be a decent fellow. But even a neutral opinion of Senator Murphy is higher than what people here thought of Joe Lieberman.

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Specialist-Lion-8135 t1_j1cz2km wrote

I will never forget Chris Murphy’s weekly Twitter chats and newsletters during the pandemic. He is a compassionate person with a great sense of humor. He really goes the extra mile to help people and he isn’t afraid to be himself.

Joe Lieberman was duplicitous, self centered politician.

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realbusabusa t1_j1d4qwb wrote

Senator Lieberman as well-liked (and also looked like) Senator Palpatine

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midmodmad t1_j1d69zv wrote

Are you kidding?! Thanks for reminding me of his existence—not.

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MyFianceMadeMeJoin t1_j1dbs77 wrote

I proudly voted him out of the Democratic Party in 2010 or 2012 and he somehow still managed to win as a fucking independent.

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issuesintherapy t1_j1dg4vf wrote

Replying to MyFianceMadeMeJoin (#1,021,852)

Yeah, I actually changed my party affiliation from Green back to Democrat to vote against him. Never could stand the guy.

Murphy seems decent enough. I don't follow him very closely but he seems genuinely moved by the Sandy Hook shooting and has supported the families and pushed for gun reform.

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HueJacksonsBrain t1_j1dh9yp wrote

Replying to sjsmac (#1,021,717)

Completely illogical argument. Security was ineffective in that case, better shut down the idea entirely.

Murphy doesn't want private citizens to be armed. Ask yourself why that is.

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chrisexv6 t1_j1dhckb wrote

Replying to sjsmac (#1,021,717)

You mean the "security guards" that were cops, waiting in the hallway listening to the kids get killed?

Or the border security agent that actually did their job for them and ended the shooter?

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flatdanny t1_j1dipqh wrote

Joe LIE-berman?

Senator Joe Lieberman supported many policies of the Bush Administration such as the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq.

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whateverusayboi t1_j1dk37w wrote

I like both as much as the bottom of my shoe after walking through a cow pasture or dog park blindfolded. Lieberman is old news, my dislike of smurphy is present tense.

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iwanttobehappy2022 t1_j1dmicd wrote

No Lieberman was a pos flip flopper that left parties because he lost primaries. He had zero moral compass and only thought about himself. He block congress insider trading bill. The world is worst of because of him.

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Lou666Minatti t1_j1dqma6 wrote

both kowtow heavily to the Israeli apartheid state soooo...

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Lou666Minatti t1_j1dqmvv wrote

both kowtow heavily to the Israeli apartheid state soooo...

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urbanevol t1_j1dszx2 wrote

It didn't get much airtime, but after the Senate Lieberman worked for a law firm that defended Donald Trump's various shady activities. He was something of a buddy of Trump's and was considered to replace Comey as FBI diretor.

Lately, he is a scummy lobbyist for Chinese telecom companies. That guy sucks.

Murphy is pretty good as a junior senator. He is involved in a lot of legislation, working very hard. He also walks across big chunks of CT every so often to connect with voters. He isn't nearly the media hound that Blumenthal is.

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Big-Pond t1_j1dvwg2 wrote

Oft referred to as Lieberdouche

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jstahr63 t1_j1dy5c8 wrote

Not at all. He and Dodd were largely responsible for continuing failed interventionist policies in Central America and the Middle East. People trying to change that focused on Dodd as it was known Lieberman wouldn't budge on the issue.

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solomons-marbles t1_j1dz4zs wrote

People right of center — no. Center to left — yes. It’s CT & his district is very blue. Some towns carried Biden by 3:1.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if his name is in next presidential primary discussion.

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JHolm915 t1_j1e1dw8 wrote

Replying to foodcoma85 (#1,024,332)

Those talking points are valid, he claimed false military status about a war where most the people were drafted and actually had a very tough time if they made it out alive and even then, because of conditions, have many medical issues. That was horribly disrespectful on his part especially after having 5 draft deferments and then only admitting he was wrong when his service record was released in the media. He also married into money and wouldn't be anywhere without his wife's families financial backing(their NYC real estate portfolio includes the Empire State Building to give you a scope of the money involved). He has done some good as attorney General, but since becoming senator hasn't done much for us. He conveniently will always show up for photo ops with things he had nothing to do with though.

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JHolm915 t1_j1e2uwo wrote

I don't like either one. Lieberman was crooked as hell and Murphy has been exploiting Sandy Hook to stay relevant while not really addressing the issue correctly or accomplishing much. Sure guns played a role in it, but ultimately it was the mental state of the shooter that was what brought it about. There is an obvious twisted psychological state that would make you go to a school you haven't attended in a number of years and shoot the place up. He must have had some underlying trauma there and probably didn't have any of the mental health care he needed for much of his life. Murphy's number one goal should be to improve mental health care nationwide and in schools above all else. I'm not even a proponent of guns and don't own any, but can clearly see the propaganda and lack of firearm knowledge by him and a lot of his fellow politicians makes his actions questionable as to what he really wants to accomplish other than to stay relevant while parading around the event and using the families.

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sprodigy t1_j1e38pe wrote

No one likes Lieberman. Come on

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Significant_Chest401 t1_j1e80qi wrote

Absolutely not. I know I speak for many people when I say it would be fabulous never to hear again about JL.

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AsaKurai t1_j1ebexy wrote

Replying to QueenOfQuok (#1,020,685)

Like him or not, you at least know what you get with Chris Murphy. Lieberman cared about himself only, in the guise of bipartisanship. He lost his senate primary to Ned Lamont back in 2006 and democrats were ready to move on from him. Instead of bowing out, he ran as an independent/de-facto republican (since the GOP candidate was trash) that was able to take votes from every side and handicap Lamont.

If you are running on principals, he clearly didn't have any. You should run on what you believe in and that can be respected, but he just ran to win and not relinquish power.

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bkandwh t1_j1ec0fd wrote

Ah, no. That guy sucks and is universally disliked.

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Aaron351 t1_j1eypdg wrote

Replying to iwanttobehappy2022 (#1,023,042)

This isn’t specific to Lieberman but I’d rather a flip-flipper over a gutless party liner. Or am I misinterpreting your use of flip-flopper? Edit to add: not talking about anyone specifically (Murphy)

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Flimsy-Field-8321 t1_j1f5qpz wrote

Joe Lieberman turned into an absolute piece of garbage after his mother died. It's like his inner Republican came out after she was gone. I worked on Lamont's bid against him and I will never forgive his campaign goon for menacing my FIVE YEAR OLD at a campaign event. Campaign did zero about it and we ended up calling the police. Asshole was dressed like a banana for unknown reasons (yes he was paid Lieberman staffer not some random guy).

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iwanttobehappy2022 t1_j1f64lt wrote

Replying to Aaron351 (#1,028,116)

I meant party flip flopper. He flip flopped a lot on policy and often would choose whatever made him look good or powerful. He spoke nonsense, advocated for nothing, and just liked to slow down any progress in congress so he’d be important. He didn’t care about the people he represented nor held true political beliefs. His only objective was to be elected, stay elected, supported whatever at the time made him look good or help him climb the political ladder. My father was a republican 20 years ago. Not a neo con; not a die hard republican - a centralist that voted for who ever he thought was the best at the time nor did he hold the same policy beliefs over time regardless of what was going on. He hated Lieberman for leaving the Republican Party because Lieberman only did it not because he’s views change but because he lost the primary. He went independent for the same reason latter on. He supported John McCain simply because he was friends with him and John was going to make him secretary of the state or something. He literally was gore’s vp and 8 years later is supporting the continuation of policies he campaigned against. He even attempted to run in 2004 as a democrat so clearly he did not like bush’s policies. McCain’s policies was a continuation of bush.

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HenryJamesTheMaster t1_j1fkqpx wrote

Hell no. Lieberman is now mostly remembered as a corrupt creep. Chris Murphy is much more honest and honorable (and less of a political whore) than Lieberman was).

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Ok-Freedom7931 t1_j1fo1as wrote

Joe Liberman is fucking terrible. You can’t even compare him to Chris Murphy. Murphy is kind of awesome. Liberman is a shit stain on CT

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coastal_girl14 t1_j1fo5mf wrote

I used to call Lieberman the Senator from the State of Israel. That's all he cared about: the subsidies for Israel. He didn't give a damn about CT. Not one eff to give.

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Mike-El t1_j1fojsh wrote

Like Murphy? Chris Murphy is an ass.

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Ok-Freedom7931 t1_j1foth0 wrote

Replying to JHolm915 (#1,024,691)

Serious question… does anyone actually care about any of that? I mean should he lose a primary, obviously. But do people in CT really care if he’s rich and didn’t deserve it…. That’s like half our state.

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JHolm915 t1_j1fpn5t wrote

Replying to Ok-Freedom7931 (#1,030,867)

Exactly the problem that people don't, those are the types that will sell their constituents out for their rich buddies every chance they get. Our state is one of the ones that throws out subsidies and contracts to undeserving corporations like crazy and people are too dumb to realize it and keep voting the people responsible in. Just look at the eversource situation, and then look at how much they have received in storm relief and various other forms of government aide, not too mention the complete lack of oversight.

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craftcanny t1_j1fsa3r wrote

Either is more likable than Blumenthal.

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foodcoma85 t1_j1g28ia wrote

Replying to JHolm915 (#1,024,691)

He wouldn’t be there unless he was directly involved. Here’s a list of things he’s done, and I’ve filtered it down to only things that have become law and he was sponsor or co-sponsor. https://www.congress.gov/member/richard-blumenthal/B001277?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D

As for the vet thing, he was at least a marine reservist. Compare that to notable rugged tough men Trump, who faked a foot injury, and Ted Nugent, who pissed his pants to fake disability. He shouldn’t have associated himself with those who actually deployed to Vietnam, but he did serve in some capacity, and the work he’s done as Senator for the military has been commendable. He’s one of the Senate’s biggest champions for protecting our troops.

As for the money thing, I really don’t care much about how rich his family is or was, because of the quality of his service to the nation. No reasonable, objective person would describe Blumenthal as someone who only got where he is because of money, because of his performance as AG and now Senator.

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JHolm915 t1_j1g4kly wrote

Replying to foodcoma85 (#1,032,194)

Trump and Ted Nugent had nothing to do with this conversation and neither of them stood in front of cameras and claimed to be in Vietnam as Blumenthal did. Bringing them up is just a diversion tactic that a lot of you love when assuming anyone who criticizes the left is of a certain political bias and mindset. When you look at the scope of effort the left has put into Trump compared to actually solving the issues they should be focusing on it's really asinine that we still have to hear his name in the media every other day when he can simply be ignored at this point. Ted Nugent can stick to making music and I don't care about anyone in the entertainment industries politics. I also don't own a gun, never have, and have no aspirations to if that was one of your assumptions. Blumenthal also only became a reservist as simply another ploy to dodge the draft and he never left the country. One of my family members though was drafted from college(one of Blumenthals deferment reasons) and dropped on the frontlines.

You realize he sponsored 1 of those pieces of legislation and the rest he was simply a cosponsor. Big difference in the two things, one is writing and proposing it, the other is tacking your name on the end.

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husky429 t1_j1ge6st wrote

People hate Lieberman. Murphy is kind of milquetoast. The only people who really hate him are pro 2A Republicans. In every other way he's a pretty run of the mill Democrat. Not particularly inspiring, but he votes the way we want.

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pelliosophelus t1_j1gerkt wrote

F no. Lieberman literally sold out his party. Nobody likes sell outs.

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