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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixi3008 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Darien Debates, then Votes on a Flag Policy by Usedtoknowsomeone46

And how do you square that opinion with the fact that gun ownership has never been higher yet violent crime is near historical lows?

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[deleted] t1_ixi44os wrote

Ah, the old “statistics can never be manipulated to make the exact point I need them to” while simultaneously employing the “just state shit and don’t source it” strategy. That’s a double whammy from the idiot gun owner folks!

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixi5l7f wrote

Gun sales in 2016 were hitting highs, we’re a few years past that now so the numbers today are higher: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/05/gun-sales-hit-new-record-ahead-of-new-obama-gun-restrictions/

Violent crime including murder today overall is lower now than in the past 30-50 years: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

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[deleted] t1_ixi6amd wrote

When gun deaths hit zero, you’ll have made a point I care about

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixi6dlp wrote

😂 you can just say you’re wrong, it’s ok.

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[deleted] t1_ixiocws wrote

Look up world murder rates as they correlate to gun laws, I’m done talking to future murderers for the day.

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixipvn7 wrote

I mean, you made a ridiculous claim, I refuted it, you demanded sources, I provided them, you changed your argument…and I’m the irrational one??

At least I know you’re never coming to take my guns because, ya know, you don’t have any! 😂

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[deleted] t1_ixit82g wrote

Have fun doing absolutely nothing with the amount of information available to you in this link.

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixivpqh wrote

Nice straw man attempt. You’re refuting an argument I didn’t make.

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[deleted] t1_ixk38b5 wrote

Because I’m not fucking impressed that violent crime is down from “absurdly fucking high” to “less absurdly fucking high”, and the point is more guns equal more murder overall. Trending down is cute, but you people still keep killing at an obscene rate and sane people wish people like you would stop with all the killing.

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixk4fom wrote

Sane people also recognize that we’ll never have zero homicides and that trending downwards in violent crime/homicides over decades is a positive thing. It also hurts your argument that “guns are the problem” when that downward trend is accompanied by the opposite trend in gun ownership. Clearly the guns themselves are not the issue or you’d them move in parallel, not opposites.

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[deleted] t1_ixk8pm1 wrote

Guns are a major problem and not the only problem. Nowhere did I say they were the only problem

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[deleted] t1_ixk9clm wrote

Also, from your own Washington Post article: “In 2013, for instance, calculations suggest there were about eight guns in the typical gun-owning household. That's double the number in 1994.”

So yeah, gun sales being up doesn’t have anything to do with the murder rate. It just means the average murderer has more weapons at their disposal. So find a different cause for your tiny tick in violent crime reduction.

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixkr7kl wrote

Feel free to Google how many firearms permits were issued/applied for in 2020. Record numbers.

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[deleted] t1_ixkry54 wrote

Population growth coupled with political extremists having a louder voice, turning more people into cowards with deadly firearms. COVID is suggested to have helped bring crime down as well. So I guess you’re pro-pandemic too now?

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixksus6 wrote

You mean the “pandemic” with an over 99% survival rate? And population growth is your answer to more gun permits?? Ok, I’m done with you, your statements lack the ability to search even the most basic facts. I’m wasting brain cells responding to you.

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[deleted] t1_ixkx9ev wrote

What does the survival rate of COVID have to do with anything? People were home, thus, less crime. Your inability to see that obvious correlation is your fault. I’d love it if you did stop trying to discuss this, as less guns totaling less homicide has already been proven. Bye now.

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Sweaty_Conclusion_80 t1_ixl3sid wrote

😂 again, you don’t even bother doing the most basic of searches: crime went up in 2020 and 2021. Try using facts and not emotions next time.

https://counciloncj.org/2021-year-end-crime-report/

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[deleted] t1_ixlaemb wrote

Homicide isn’t the only crime. You’re no longer even attempting to make a cohesive argument. Just trying to prove me wrong to jerk yourself off. You can’t do it. You’ll never be right about this. Hopefully through time people like you will dwindle in numbers over time so this country can be a safer place. Don’t bother trying to reply anymore.

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