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Usedtoknowsomeone46 OP t1_ix7228y wrote

The alleged shooter is apparently the grandson of California Republican State Assemblyman Randy Voepel. Source After the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, Voepel said, "“This is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny.” Source

Republicans really want a civil war.

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Viceversa10 t1_ix7n66b wrote

You happened to forget a key piece of info there. The dude threatened his mom with a bomb the year before....no charges.

source 1

source 2

Wouldn't have happened if we were not so soft on crime.

Maybe YOU want the civil war.

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_343_Guilty_Spark__ t1_ix8a84e wrote

>Commits previous crimes/threats

>Has it covered up by Conservative grandfather politician

>???????

>This happened because Libs are soft on crime and they are soft on crime because they want a civil war

Man I’ve said some dumb shit in my life but this makes me look like a genius

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_343_Guilty_Spark__ t1_ixhq0ky wrote

Plenty of non straight people who are Republicans. I understand the point you are making and I apologize for insulting you in my first response, however, the original argument was about who was to blame for this.

Address my most recent response to you about that subject before moving on to another

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Viceversa10 t1_ix8amb5 wrote

Corrupt politician? Surprised Pikachu face.

Source for the grandfather covering it up.

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_343_Guilty_Spark__ t1_ix8cij5 wrote

Your own link’s specifically mentioned the kid’s previous case being mysteriously sealed. Obviously there’s no actual sources saying “Yea grandpa covered for his psycho grandson” but what’s more believable?

Nepotism or what has historically been a swing state (until recently) being “soft on crime”?

If you aren’t satisfied with this then I can turn around and ask you the same. Show me the source showing that being “soft on crime” caused this, because your two links say nothing about that

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Viceversa10 t1_ix8dkg4 wrote

– when the records in the case were sealed after no explosives were found.

>But he was not prosecuted after she refused to cooperate with authorities.

Federal crime of menace and kidnapping. No charges pressed. Regardless of if the mother wanted to press charges he should have been jailed for multiple felonies. So yes, that was being soft on crime.

The mother should be charged for aiding and abetting as well in this shooting.

Edit for more sources: source for below from wapo

The Colorado Springs district attorney’s office ultimately declined to bring formal charges in the wake of the 2021 bomb-threat incident, and the court records for the case were placed under seal, the Colorado Springs Gazette reported.

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_343_Guilty_Spark__ t1_ix95qcb wrote

Are you purposely leaving out the part where they refused to take away his weapons or did you not read this?

Even if we can somehow construe his own mother refusing to press charges with Democrats being lenient on crime (which is objectively an insane logical jump) we are left with the fact that they were aware he was a psychopath and that he had these weapons and that the “Red Flag Laws” prevented authorities from seizing his weapons. Who do you think fought to have these caveats (which make the laws borderline useless) included?

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ix9aqcx wrote

>The mother should be charged for aiding and abetting as well in this shooting.

Are you actually insane?

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ix7trqc wrote

Yeah if you liberals weren't so soft on deranged criminals, our MAGA hat wearing terrorists wouldn't be able to gun down a bunch of gay people. /s

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Viceversa10 t1_ix7w4q7 wrote

It's so tolerant of you to label half the country as terrorists. It's just like the other labels you gave us, they lost all meaning.

I'm a racist, a homophobe, transphobic, a nazi, and now a terrorist.

Anything else you'd like to call me?

Your comment brings nothing to this thread.

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ix7xjpu wrote

Nah, pretty sure they have all clear meaning and pretty sure they are all accurate. Basically, if you support Trump and the Republican party today, you are dog shit and support political violence.

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ix816mr wrote

It's like one quarter of the country on a good day and they can rot in hell for their anti-American Trump worship, which is intolerable to any decent person or adherent of democracy.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 OP t1_ix83nh5 wrote

This. MAGA cannot be allowed to continue. They are domestic Christian Fascist terrorists at this point. Our country can't take much more of these killings.

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Viceversa10 t1_ix86b2c wrote

I pray for you and hope one day you'll allow God into your life. You'll be so much happier.

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SneakySnake897 t1_ix88hmp wrote

God doesn’t seem to be stopping the terrorists in our country.

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Viceversa10 t1_ix8a5t9 wrote

Maybe they should follow the laws

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SneakySnake897 t1_ix8mq9h wrote

Laws won’t solve the problem. This is a systemic social issue created by decades of brainwashing. Home bred terrorism.

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bdy435 t1_ix8wdw9 wrote

Dud you read your bible? Your god was a mass killer.

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Mental_Grapefruit726 t1_ix88zu1 wrote

It’s delusional to think 50% of this country is MAGA

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bdy435 t1_ix8w496 wrote

These people arent good at math either

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gyst_ t1_ixacqm9 wrote

I definitely doubt that half the country is MAGA. That said it's kind of hard to tell just how many people are. At this point we know a pretty large group of people don't mind being in bed with MAGA.

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bdy435 t1_ix8vx36 wrote

Mussolini was tough on crime. The Saudis are tough on crime.

We have a constitution.

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Viceversa10 t1_ix8z8z1 wrote

Your point about being tough on crime?

We do have a constitution.

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ix9b2tm wrote

Yeah you should read it.

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Viceversa10 t1_ixa2r1q wrote

You should try and comprehend it.

See, I can throw insults too

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AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_ixcgx3j wrote

Yeah, but you sound even more idiotic in light of the fact that I have a law degree, passed multiple bar exams, and am admitted to multiple state and federal courts and circuit courts of appeal and you're some know-nothing.

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Viceversa10 t1_ixcjkhj wrote

And yet here you are, throwing around your "law" degree like you're God's gift to the world. You're as useless as tits on a bull.

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 OP t1_ix7zn5z wrote

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Viceversa10 t1_ix817r3 wrote

source for bombing

You tell me why nothing happened. He was charged with two counts federal menacing and three kidnapping charges. Some places just don't like charging criminals.

He somehow even evaded those "red flag" laws in Colorado. law here.

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