Omnibitent t1_ixciqfy wrote on November 22, 2022 at 12:30 PM

Reply to comment by ijuanaspearfish in Vehicle pursuit, Hartford, with AR15, just crashed by guesthost1999

Not arguing against your points, however I always get peeved when people bring up car deaths as a comparison. The purpose of a car is to get you from point A to point B quickly. The point of a gun is to kill. While yes you can kill just as easily with a car, that is not its main purpose. You can't say the same about a gun.

ijuanaspearfish t1_ixcjsho wrote on November 22, 2022 at 12:41 PM

Doesnt matter what the intended purpose is.

Dead is dead.

The purpose is secondary to the result.

A gun can equally saves lives by taking one or more away in the case of a threat. Again, its about perception

Holl0wayTape t1_ixcpl9s wrote on November 22, 2022 at 1:34 PM

No, that's ridiculous, sorry. Even in your example the gun's intended use is to take a life. It doesn't matter if in doing so another life is being saved. The purpose of a gun is to use it to kill something.

You've made some other good points in your previous comments, but not in this one.

ZebraRaptor t1_ixe7wv3 wrote on November 22, 2022 at 7:48 PM

Not true. A firearm is used to stop the threat (when not talking about sport, hunting, or collecting). Does stopping the threat sometimes result in death? Absolutely. But it’s not “shoot to kill”. It’s “shoot to stop the threat”.

It’s an important distinction because even in a totally justified self defense scenario, if it’s found out you shot someone twice, and they surrendered, but then you decided to shoot more and it resulted in their death, you would be charged.

Holl0wayTape t1_ixebu20 wrote on November 22, 2022 at 8:14 PM

True, but in the example written by the commenter I replied to, the gun is used to kill. The person said that if a life is taken it is fine because a life is saved.

Your comment doesn't have anything to do with the context of mine and the other commenter's comment.

ZebraRaptor t1_ixfz24q wrote on November 23, 2022 at 3:43 AM

I get what you’re saying now. I agree, taking a life is awful no matter what, and any human with any morals would struggle likely for the rest of their life with that. But at the end of the day, when it comes down to you and your family or the life of someone who is actively trying to take yours, you’re going to choose you and your family 100% of the time.

A good quote I once heard from someone who had to kill in self defense “I don’t regret that I did what I had to do, I regret that he put me into the situation where I had to take his life”.